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dell4c

23 Mar 2021
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23 Mar 2021
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It looks like a local stamp from Germany. At least it has a German text on it.

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23 Mar 2021
02:09:11pm
re: Something from Belgium or Netherlands?

It is a stamp from a private company in Berlin, Germany.
In German: "Berliner Packetfahrt-Gesellschaft"
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23 Mar 2021
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24 Mar 2021
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Found a WIKIpedia page on the internet about the "BERLINER PACKETFAHRT GESELLSCHAFT"
It is original in the German language but translated here quickly with the help of my big friend : Google.


Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft
The Berliner Packetfahrt-Gesellschaft (temporarily Neue Berliner Omnibus- und Packetfahrt-Actiengesellschaft or Berliner Packetfahrt Aktien-Gesellschaft)
was a transport company based and operating in Berlin, which at the end of the 19th century became one of the largest private post offices in the
German Empire developed.
Over 120 postage stamps and numerous postal stationery envelopes and cards issued by the company for local post traffic,
are now sought-after collectibles by philatelists and those interested in local history.

Historical background
According to the law on the postal system of the North German Confederation of November 2, 1867, ordering city letters was not subject to mandatory postage.
Only when transporting "all sealed, sewn up or otherwise closed letters" and "all newspapers with political content,
which appear more than once a week ”, provided that this transport“ against payment from places with a post office
to other places with a domestic or foreign post office ”, a monopoly of the state post should take place.

This regulation, which was reflected in the Reichspost Law of October 28, 1871, was used and established by enterprising business people
private postal services in various German cities, some of which developed into serious competitors of the state postal services.
In the period from 1886 to 1900 there were more than 250 private post offices in 170 German cities.
The economic pressure some of these companies put on the state post office eventually grew so great over the years that
that the German Reichstag on December 20, 1899 at the urging of the State Secretary in the Reich Post Office Count von Podbielski with an amendment
to the Reichspost Law, the operation of private postal services in the entire German Reich on April 1st, 1900.

The compensation to be paid was also regulated by law.
A “for actual loss and lost profit” was sent to the owners of the 84 private postal companies that existed at that time
Compensation of about six million marks paid. Added to this were based on the amount of the respective income and the length of employment
Calculating severance payments for the employees and postmen, which could not be taken over by the state postal administrations.
Ultimately, the total of the payments to be made amounted to 8.2 million marks. Of this, the Deutsche Reichspost accounted for 7,450,000 marks,
to the Royal Bavarian Post 440,000 Marks and to the Royal Württembergische Post 320,000 Marks.

With the amendment of the Postal Act around 1900, the opinion emerged that the postal system was an inherent task of the state, which it was not
could serve to generate profit and therefore should not be exposed to free competition, enforced for many years.
In Germany they remained connected to her until the beginning of the 21st century. Only with the lifting of the exclusive licenses for the
Deutsche Post AG ended the state postal monopoly in Germany on December 31, 2007.
Since then, in addition to Deutsche Post AG, numerous other postal service providers have established themselves on the German market.
The complete liberalization of the European postal market is to take place by January 1, 2013.

founding of the company
In August 1883, the Berlin entrepreneurs Kappel and von Lindheim founded a “haulage company for the transport of goods with and without value insurance
including the associated Incasso ".
Success did not materialize and the company was discontinued just a year later.

The Berliner Packetfahr-Gesellschaft Berlin S, Alexandrinenstrasse 93, launched the
was entered in the Berlin commercial register on February 13, 1884.
After just one year, around 11,000 shipments were being transported every day. Above all, it was the low tariffs and the fast delivery,
which made this parcel expedition interesting for customers in the entire Berlin urban area. Since January 12, 1886 under the name
Acting as the new Berliner Omnibus- und Packetfahrt-Actiengesellschaft, the company was constantly expanding its fields of business.
In addition to the parcel service, the company was now also involved in the field of passenger transport.
From 1887 to 1894, Berliner Packetfahrt operated five bus routes in Berlin.
The expansion into a large private post office was increasingly pursued.
For this purpose, a comprehensive offer was developed, geared to the interests of the customers, which was superior to that of the Deutsche Reichspost in many respects.
From 1894 - after the cessation of passenger transport - the company then concentrated under the name Berliner Packetfahrt Aktien-Gesellschaft
primarily on the inner-city postal service.

Post delivery offers
Within the Berlin urban area, the Berliner Packetfahrt-Gesellschaft carried postcards for 2 pfennigs (Reichspost: 5 pfennigs) and letters
for 3 pfennigs (Reichspost: 10 pfennigs).
Customers with a larger volume of mail also received a discount.
In addition, previously unknown services such as direct mail were introduced.
Card letters with stamp imprints - which the Reichspost did not offer until November 1, 1897 - were extremely popular with customers.
The collection of invoices by post and the delivery of printed matter and newspapers on the basis of address lists were also new.
The specially marked mailboxes set up throughout the city were emptied regularly; on working days the post was sent four times,
held twice on Sundays. There was also an express courier service.

Around 10,000 customers took advantage of the offer, the envelopes, cards and
To have wrappers printed with your own text or images free of charge.

Postage stamp of the Berliner Packetfahrt at 2 Pfennigs from 1888
The orientation towards the needs of the customer was also evident in the varied design of the postage stamps and postal stationery.
The company issued a total of 124 different postage stamps, the majority of which were made in the Giesecke and Devrient printing works
made in Leipzig.
When issuing the postage stamps and postal stationery, the focus was on the interests of a steadily growing group of postage stamp collectors during these years.


Economic success
The favorable conditions, the diverse offers and a convincing service were increasingly recognized by the Berlin population.
By 1889, the number of inner-city items carried by private mail rose to 89 million.
In comparison, the Reichspost only brought it to 77 million.

In 1899 the company owned over 500 acceptance points and around 2500 mailboxes in all parts of Berlin.
18 distribution and ordering offices in which around 3,100 employees were employed, 1,700 of them as sorters and 986 as postmen,
ensured that the mail was transported quickly and reliably.

The economic success of Berliner Packetfahrt was also reflected in the company's superiority over other private postal companies.
In the years 1886 and 1897, among other things, the Berlin Transport Authority Hansa I was founded in the capital of the Reich,
the Berliner Verkehrsanstalt Hansa II, the Deutsche Privat-Post Lloyd, the Berliner Privatpost und Speditions-AG as well as a number of smaller companies.
Many of them had to close again after a short time, sometimes after a few weeks, or were - like the Berlin transport authority Hansa I and the
Berlin private mail and forwarding agency A.G. - Taken over from the Berliner Packetfahrt.

Even a Berlin street post introduced by the Berlin Post Office in 1889 did not prove to be serious competition for the Berlin packet transport.
The horse-drawn mail wagons of the road post, which were in use from November 1st, ran on weekdays between 10 a.m. and 7 p.m.
on 11 radial from the city post office Berlin C.2. outgoing mail lines and carried letters and postcards.
Mailboxes on the mail car were supposed to enable customers to drop off mail while they were driving, but the whole thing turned out to be too much
inconvenient and dangerous.
The officers working in the swaying mail cars were also barely able to process the mail properly.
In order to have their hands free to work, they had to buckle up firmly while driving over the sometimes miserable Berlin pavement.
The Berlin street post remained an episode in the city's postal history.
With the dissolution of the private postal services in 1900, the service was stopped immediately.
The goal of building state competition with the private postal service with the help of road mail was never achieved.
This plan failed because of the higher postal tariffs of the Reichspost, on which no compromises were made.

In the last few years of its existence, the Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft realized around 60 percent of Berlin's local letter traffic.
The company's economic strength was also evident when the company closed down by law on March 31, 1900.
The shareholders of the Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft were compensated with 2.7 million marks.

After the ban on private letter delivery, the company concentrated again on parcel services.
At the same time, the forwarding department was expanded significantly.
Even before the First World War, the Schenker company took over shares in the Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft, this stake
was expanded considerably in the 1920s. In the 1930s, Berliner Packetfahrt was one of the largest shipping companies in Berlin.

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24 Mar 2021
11:08:10am
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Nice postcards from that WIKIpedia page :

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Packetfahrt Kutsche

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Pavillon der Berliner Packetfahrt Aktien Gesellschaft

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24 Mar 2021
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Great information, Thanks very much.

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23 Mar 2021
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It looks like a local stamp from Germany. At least it has a German text on it.

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peppie61

23 Mar 2021
02:09:11pm

re: Something from Belgium or Netherlands?

It is a stamp from a private company in Berlin, Germany.
In German: "Berliner Packetfahrt-Gesellschaft"
See this page

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dell4c

23 Mar 2021
03:10:29pm

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re: Something from Belgium or Netherlands?

That's great - thanks very much

Bob

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HockeyNut

24 Mar 2021
10:59:57am

re: Something from Belgium or Netherlands?

Found a WIKIpedia page on the internet about the "BERLINER PACKETFAHRT GESELLSCHAFT"
It is original in the German language but translated here quickly with the help of my big friend : Google.


Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft
The Berliner Packetfahrt-Gesellschaft (temporarily Neue Berliner Omnibus- und Packetfahrt-Actiengesellschaft or Berliner Packetfahrt Aktien-Gesellschaft)
was a transport company based and operating in Berlin, which at the end of the 19th century became one of the largest private post offices in the
German Empire developed.
Over 120 postage stamps and numerous postal stationery envelopes and cards issued by the company for local post traffic,
are now sought-after collectibles by philatelists and those interested in local history.

Historical background
According to the law on the postal system of the North German Confederation of November 2, 1867, ordering city letters was not subject to mandatory postage.
Only when transporting "all sealed, sewn up or otherwise closed letters" and "all newspapers with political content,
which appear more than once a week ”, provided that this transport“ against payment from places with a post office
to other places with a domestic or foreign post office ”, a monopoly of the state post should take place.

This regulation, which was reflected in the Reichspost Law of October 28, 1871, was used and established by enterprising business people
private postal services in various German cities, some of which developed into serious competitors of the state postal services.
In the period from 1886 to 1900 there were more than 250 private post offices in 170 German cities.
The economic pressure some of these companies put on the state post office eventually grew so great over the years that
that the German Reichstag on December 20, 1899 at the urging of the State Secretary in the Reich Post Office Count von Podbielski with an amendment
to the Reichspost Law, the operation of private postal services in the entire German Reich on April 1st, 1900.

The compensation to be paid was also regulated by law.
A “for actual loss and lost profit” was sent to the owners of the 84 private postal companies that existed at that time
Compensation of about six million marks paid. Added to this were based on the amount of the respective income and the length of employment
Calculating severance payments for the employees and postmen, which could not be taken over by the state postal administrations.
Ultimately, the total of the payments to be made amounted to 8.2 million marks. Of this, the Deutsche Reichspost accounted for 7,450,000 marks,
to the Royal Bavarian Post 440,000 Marks and to the Royal Württembergische Post 320,000 Marks.

With the amendment of the Postal Act around 1900, the opinion emerged that the postal system was an inherent task of the state, which it was not
could serve to generate profit and therefore should not be exposed to free competition, enforced for many years.
In Germany they remained connected to her until the beginning of the 21st century. Only with the lifting of the exclusive licenses for the
Deutsche Post AG ended the state postal monopoly in Germany on December 31, 2007.
Since then, in addition to Deutsche Post AG, numerous other postal service providers have established themselves on the German market.
The complete liberalization of the European postal market is to take place by January 1, 2013.

founding of the company
In August 1883, the Berlin entrepreneurs Kappel and von Lindheim founded a “haulage company for the transport of goods with and without value insurance
including the associated Incasso ".
Success did not materialize and the company was discontinued just a year later.

The Berliner Packetfahr-Gesellschaft Berlin S, Alexandrinenstrasse 93, launched the
was entered in the Berlin commercial register on February 13, 1884.
After just one year, around 11,000 shipments were being transported every day. Above all, it was the low tariffs and the fast delivery,
which made this parcel expedition interesting for customers in the entire Berlin urban area. Since January 12, 1886 under the name
Acting as the new Berliner Omnibus- und Packetfahrt-Actiengesellschaft, the company was constantly expanding its fields of business.
In addition to the parcel service, the company was now also involved in the field of passenger transport.
From 1887 to 1894, Berliner Packetfahrt operated five bus routes in Berlin.
The expansion into a large private post office was increasingly pursued.
For this purpose, a comprehensive offer was developed, geared to the interests of the customers, which was superior to that of the Deutsche Reichspost in many respects.
From 1894 - after the cessation of passenger transport - the company then concentrated under the name Berliner Packetfahrt Aktien-Gesellschaft
primarily on the inner-city postal service.

Post delivery offers
Within the Berlin urban area, the Berliner Packetfahrt-Gesellschaft carried postcards for 2 pfennigs (Reichspost: 5 pfennigs) and letters
for 3 pfennigs (Reichspost: 10 pfennigs).
Customers with a larger volume of mail also received a discount.
In addition, previously unknown services such as direct mail were introduced.
Card letters with stamp imprints - which the Reichspost did not offer until November 1, 1897 - were extremely popular with customers.
The collection of invoices by post and the delivery of printed matter and newspapers on the basis of address lists were also new.
The specially marked mailboxes set up throughout the city were emptied regularly; on working days the post was sent four times,
held twice on Sundays. There was also an express courier service.

Around 10,000 customers took advantage of the offer, the envelopes, cards and
To have wrappers printed with your own text or images free of charge.

Postage stamp of the Berliner Packetfahrt at 2 Pfennigs from 1888
The orientation towards the needs of the customer was also evident in the varied design of the postage stamps and postal stationery.
The company issued a total of 124 different postage stamps, the majority of which were made in the Giesecke and Devrient printing works
made in Leipzig.
When issuing the postage stamps and postal stationery, the focus was on the interests of a steadily growing group of postage stamp collectors during these years.


Economic success
The favorable conditions, the diverse offers and a convincing service were increasingly recognized by the Berlin population.
By 1889, the number of inner-city items carried by private mail rose to 89 million.
In comparison, the Reichspost only brought it to 77 million.

In 1899 the company owned over 500 acceptance points and around 2500 mailboxes in all parts of Berlin.
18 distribution and ordering offices in which around 3,100 employees were employed, 1,700 of them as sorters and 986 as postmen,
ensured that the mail was transported quickly and reliably.

The economic success of Berliner Packetfahrt was also reflected in the company's superiority over other private postal companies.
In the years 1886 and 1897, among other things, the Berlin Transport Authority Hansa I was founded in the capital of the Reich,
the Berliner Verkehrsanstalt Hansa II, the Deutsche Privat-Post Lloyd, the Berliner Privatpost und Speditions-AG as well as a number of smaller companies.
Many of them had to close again after a short time, sometimes after a few weeks, or were - like the Berlin transport authority Hansa I and the
Berlin private mail and forwarding agency A.G. - Taken over from the Berliner Packetfahrt.

Even a Berlin street post introduced by the Berlin Post Office in 1889 did not prove to be serious competition for the Berlin packet transport.
The horse-drawn mail wagons of the road post, which were in use from November 1st, ran on weekdays between 10 a.m. and 7 p.m.
on 11 radial from the city post office Berlin C.2. outgoing mail lines and carried letters and postcards.
Mailboxes on the mail car were supposed to enable customers to drop off mail while they were driving, but the whole thing turned out to be too much
inconvenient and dangerous.
The officers working in the swaying mail cars were also barely able to process the mail properly.
In order to have their hands free to work, they had to buckle up firmly while driving over the sometimes miserable Berlin pavement.
The Berlin street post remained an episode in the city's postal history.
With the dissolution of the private postal services in 1900, the service was stopped immediately.
The goal of building state competition with the private postal service with the help of road mail was never achieved.
This plan failed because of the higher postal tariffs of the Reichspost, on which no compromises were made.

In the last few years of its existence, the Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft realized around 60 percent of Berlin's local letter traffic.
The company's economic strength was also evident when the company closed down by law on March 31, 1900.
The shareholders of the Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft were compensated with 2.7 million marks.

After the ban on private letter delivery, the company concentrated again on parcel services.
At the same time, the forwarding department was expanded significantly.
Even before the First World War, the Schenker company took over shares in the Berliner Packetfahrt Gesellschaft, this stake
was expanded considerably in the 1920s. In the 1930s, Berliner Packetfahrt was one of the largest shipping companies in Berlin.

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24 Mar 2021
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Nice postcards from that WIKIpedia page :

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Packetfahrt Kutsche

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Pavillon der Berliner Packetfahrt Aktien Gesellschaft

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24 Mar 2021
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re: Something from Belgium or Netherlands?

Great information, Thanks very much.

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