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Were there two different types of paper used when printing the 1958 Christmas stamp.
One looks to be thinner paper, but it is the only copy I have found that is like this.
I have included a normal copy back and front as well.
the one with the see through image is the front picture on the right.
I have also noticed that the right hand copy seems to be on a " slighlty toned paper", maybe it is one of those strange items where the paper has suffered toning because of overinking?
Maybe Rob knows the answer.
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Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
Toning happens to many stamps exposed to moisture. Your stamp is not on thin paper as no thin paper was used for QEII stamps, but there are stamps printed on translucent paper which is the cause of the appearance of the stamp on the right having a thin paper appearance.
The only way to tell between thin and translucent paper prior to QEII was with a micrometer, but it isn't necessary with the stamps of QEII as no thin paper was ever used, leaving only translucent printings.
There is also slight ink smudging on the right side and bottom margins.
These stamps are very interesting in the way you can literally see the front from the back as in the case of the 1958 Xmas issue.
It isn't listed and I've never seen one on a Xmas stamp.
Here are a few types of pre-decimal translucent papers.
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Hi Rob,
Thanks for that, I knew that you would have the answer.
I think I have the QEII Queen's head stamps in both used and MNH, but will check.
I love the navigator example, I have a few used, but will check the paper on them.
I don't think that I have any MNH 10/- navigator, they seem to be hard to find, and yours is nice specimen copy also.
I am re-arranging my used stamps into thematic, hence I am working on all the pre-decimal Christmas stamps at the moment.
All my MNH are going to be re-arranged according to the ACSC format, which will also take a long time.
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Horamakhet
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Dear Horamakhet,
Rob1956 is correct in that a translucent stamp does not automatically equate to a "Thin Paper" stamp, as defined by the Australian Commonwealth Specialist's Catalogue (ACSC). Normally a micrometer is required to accurately measure the thickness of the stamp and it only applies to mint unhinged (MUH) stamps.
However there are at least two documented "Thin Paper" stamps that were produced by the Australian Note and Stamp Printing Branch during the Queen Elizabeth II Predecimal era.
According to the ACSC 2019 Queen Elizabeth II, 4th edition, Section 8 the following stamps are "Thin Paper".
1. BW296a 3½d Red, QEII, Wmk, Thin, hard transparent paper, issued in 1956, Note 1. (this paper is 0.095mm thick, normally 0.105mm and the design shows clearly on the reverse). Reference Page 8/27 + 8/29.
2. BW298a 6½d Orange, QEII, Wmk, Thin, hard transparent paper, issued in 1956. Note 1. (This paper is 0.095mm thick, normally 0.105mm and the design shows clearly on the reverse). Reference Page 8/31.
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Melbournian
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Hi Melbournian
Any paper gauged at 0.095 is thick paper and 0.105mm is thicker paper. The 0.095mm paper is known as a thinner paper because it is, but it isn’t literally thin paper because the measurement is still well into the thick paper range.
Thin paper is 0.075mm and thick paper is 0.083mm and 0.091mm, anything above 0.091mm is also classified as thick.
The stamps you are referring to are shown below.
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Rob1956 said,
"Thin paper is 0.75mm and thick paper is 0.83mm and 0.91mm, anything above 0.91mm is classified as thick."
I assume you meant .075, .083 and .091mm. Yes?
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Hi banknoteguy
Thanks, I corrected the info, I have no idea how I made such a mistake, the edited gauge is now the proper paper thickness.
Rob
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Hi to all,
Were there two different types of paper used when printing the 1958 Christmas stamp.
One looks to be thinner paper, but it is the only copy I have found that is like this.
I have included a normal copy back and front as well.
the one with the see through image is the front picture on the right.
I have also noticed that the right hand copy seems to be on a " slighlty toned paper", maybe it is one of those strange items where the paper has suffered toning because of overinking?
Maybe Rob knows the answer.
Regards
Horamakhet
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27 Apr 2021
03:39:07pm
re: AUSTRALIA CHRISTMAS 1958
Hi Horamakhet
Toning happens to many stamps exposed to moisture. Your stamp is not on thin paper as no thin paper was used for QEII stamps, but there are stamps printed on translucent paper which is the cause of the appearance of the stamp on the right having a thin paper appearance.
The only way to tell between thin and translucent paper prior to QEII was with a micrometer, but it isn't necessary with the stamps of QEII as no thin paper was ever used, leaving only translucent printings.
There is also slight ink smudging on the right side and bottom margins.
These stamps are very interesting in the way you can literally see the front from the back as in the case of the 1958 Xmas issue.
It isn't listed and I've never seen one on a Xmas stamp.
Here are a few types of pre-decimal translucent papers.
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Thanks for that, I knew that you would have the answer.
I think I have the QEII Queen's head stamps in both used and MNH, but will check.
I love the navigator example, I have a few used, but will check the paper on them.
I don't think that I have any MNH 10/- navigator, they seem to be hard to find, and yours is nice specimen copy also.
I am re-arranging my used stamps into thematic, hence I am working on all the pre-decimal Christmas stamps at the moment.
All my MNH are going to be re-arranged according to the ACSC format, which will also take a long time.
Regards
Horamakhet
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re: AUSTRALIA CHRISTMAS 1958
Dear Horamakhet,
Rob1956 is correct in that a translucent stamp does not automatically equate to a "Thin Paper" stamp, as defined by the Australian Commonwealth Specialist's Catalogue (ACSC). Normally a micrometer is required to accurately measure the thickness of the stamp and it only applies to mint unhinged (MUH) stamps.
However there are at least two documented "Thin Paper" stamps that were produced by the Australian Note and Stamp Printing Branch during the Queen Elizabeth II Predecimal era.
According to the ACSC 2019 Queen Elizabeth II, 4th edition, Section 8 the following stamps are "Thin Paper".
1. BW296a 3½d Red, QEII, Wmk, Thin, hard transparent paper, issued in 1956, Note 1. (this paper is 0.095mm thick, normally 0.105mm and the design shows clearly on the reverse). Reference Page 8/27 + 8/29.
2. BW298a 6½d Orange, QEII, Wmk, Thin, hard transparent paper, issued in 1956. Note 1. (This paper is 0.095mm thick, normally 0.105mm and the design shows clearly on the reverse). Reference Page 8/31.
Regards,
Melbournian
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29 Apr 2021
09:26:15am
re: AUSTRALIA CHRISTMAS 1958
Hi Melbournian
Any paper gauged at 0.095 is thick paper and 0.105mm is thicker paper. The 0.095mm paper is known as a thinner paper because it is, but it isn’t literally thin paper because the measurement is still well into the thick paper range.
Thin paper is 0.075mm and thick paper is 0.083mm and 0.091mm, anything above 0.091mm is also classified as thick.
The stamps you are referring to are shown below.
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Rob1956 said,
"Thin paper is 0.75mm and thick paper is 0.83mm and 0.91mm, anything above 0.91mm is classified as thick."
I assume you meant .075, .083 and .091mm. Yes?
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29 Apr 2021
11:22:52am
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Hi banknoteguy
Thanks, I corrected the info, I have no idea how I made such a mistake, the edited gauge is now the proper paper thickness.
Rob
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