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This morning, I received an email from him telling me that he had, as a result of my note, done as I requested, and that he would send a new invoice. He did, and I paid it with three mouse clicks. No trip to the bank, no bother with addressing an envelope, no trip to the post office to buy stamps. (I know, I know, I should use the post office, etc.) Even if I have to pay a small PayPal fee, the cost is close to the same as using the mail, and it's a lot less hassle.
Anyway, I'd just like to say that I really appreciated Frank's willingness to include PayPal in his invoicing. I wish all non-PayPal dealers would understand how convenient that service is for their customers. They might be more amenable if they realized that I have on occasion decided not to bid on common items just because they wouldn't take PayPal.
Bob
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Where's the like button??? Oh, I forgot this isn't FaceBook.
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Thanks Frank for accommodating Bob I, who collects postal history but refuses to create it
Thanks Bob for acknowledging Frank's efforts. One of Bob's greatest attributes is his willingness to share: his time, making sure kudos go where deserved; his knowlege (I am the beneficiary of countless tangential reminiscences that morph into other things); and his resources (no single other member has more images on my compture than Bob).
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Postal History — A compound noun referring to envelopes, postal cards, and picture postcards, periodical wrappers, and other ephemera which have served to convey information or products and have passed through one or more postal systems. Not to be confused with the history of postal, althiough postal history items can reveal much about the history of postal systems.
In past decades, cancellations, various postal markings, hand-written notes and instructions, addresses, return addresses, and stamps served to create provenance. By the early 21st Century, postal administrations had become so highly mechanized and efficient that envelopes could pass through the mails with little more than an address and a stamp or postage meter, and it became difficult and even impossible to gain much knowledge of a given envelope's history. The term "ink-jet cancellation" became an epithet among philatelists, as did "self-adhesive stamp" among mere stamp collectors.
Serious postal historians have largely given up the collecting of modern used envelopes and prefer to spend their time researching the stories of older envelopes in order to give substance to their history before they (the postal historians and the envelopes too!) crumble into dust. They actually believe that PayPal is the "world's most-loved way to pay and be paid."
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It's good to see he was accommodating. I know of at least three sellers I just automatically skip over anymore because they are firm on not taking PayPal, even when I've offered to cover the fee as well.
I’ll be honest, I like using PayPal because I'm impatient. Being a computer technician, I like how money issues can be handled quickly online without all that check sending and clearing stuff. It saves me time of writing out checks and envelopes and then waiting for the mail to pick it up.
And God forbid the seller lives in Canada. I feel sorry for our northern neighbors. If their postal carriers aren’t on strike, then it takes almost 2 weeks for stuff to get to them, and visa versa.
Like I said, it allows me to get my stuff that much quicker, and I don’t mind paying up to a $1 in fees for that to happen.
-Pat
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I'm afraid that I don't have much patience with Luddites. I am able on my own to throw a spanner in my own works, so I don't need them helping! And I don't buy the argument that PayPal isn't "secure". Hell's bells, what is secure in this world?
I have never heard of a single case where someone went bankrupt because they used PayPal, or credit cards for that matter. A couple of years ago PayPal refunded payment I had made for stamp that I purchased in the Stamporama Auction. The stamp never arrived, and PayPal sent a refund without an argument.
Several years ago my credit card number was compromised; MasterCard called to ask if I had purchased a computer and other electronic gear in Las Vegas. I had not, so my account was not charged. It was a bit of a hassle getting a new MasterCard, but c'est la vie!.
Bob
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I have been using PayPal since its inception. Before PayPal, there was something called Blue Mountain (not sure of name), but it worked on same principal.
Only thing I do not like about PayPal is that if a buyer says they did not receive something, and you can prove to PayPal that it was sent, they still deduct the money from your account, and it is a pain to get it back. It happened to me last year on a eBay lot sent to China. Thank goodness it was covered by Auctiva insurance, and I received full payment back from Auctiva, not PayPal. PayPal believes that the buyer is always right, even though he might be the biggest thief in the world.
Pat, what do you collect?
Richaard
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Thanks All! I am glad I could accommodate; the customer is always right.
Best,
Frank
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Nah, some customers are jerks. Several years ago I briefly called myself an approval dealer. It went really well until it went really badly:
• A customer in Montreal sent me a large cheque with a want list that I could easily fill. I sent the stamps to him, and he responded with another want list, but no cheque. I filled the want list, mailed the stamps, and never heard from him again. A few months later I found his name in a list of philatelic deadbeats.
• A new customer returned his approvals with the terse note that he wasn't about to buy junk from me. He had switched the best stamps, used ones with nice CDS cancels, with really ugly used and damaged copies with very bad cancels.
And then there was the woman, a new customer, who took exception to what I was offering. She took none of my stamps, nor did she switch any, but she did write this: "If I had $10 to spend, I certainly wouldn't spend it on stamps!" :-)
Bob
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I have about had 10 instances of dealers with paypal had trouble with every Da*n one of them. that's why i don't take paypal
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IMHO: Sellers who don't take Paypal, at least for the SOR Auction, are limiting their own selling opportunities. 
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I have had thousands of PayPal transactions when I combine my purchasing and selling and I have had very few problems.
Bob
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Am selling more now than ever, actually. Had one bad feedback in 13 years. it was over a one lousy dollar purchase. the sob called me all kinds of
names. hassled with the da*ned thing for 2 months.
another time bought some lots. the guy didn't
state he only took paypal. Ebay would not make him sell the lots. So Ebay & paypal can stick
it where the sun don't shine.
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You know what? it's a two way street. dealers that only take paypal are limiting their sales opportunities also. I don't run down anybody that wants to take or use paypal. My
beef is with Ebay & paypal. I just don't like others running down people that don't take paypal.
I deal with one guy on ebay. He's local. I buy something. I go to his place and pay cash.
(Message edited by Stampaholic on August 25, 2011)
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I suspect that for every potential bidder who skips a lot because the seller does not use Paypal there is another bidder who, like me, skips the lots of sellers that insist on Paypal.
While I will admit that there have been some lots that I wish I had bid on over the last ten years or so, actually, I manage to spend 110% of each months philatelic budget without resorting to Paypal so to my thinking anything I have missed, I could not have afforded anyway.
In a way, it is like the decision buy mint pristine gum examples from a new issue dealer or seek out postally used examples.
Coffee, black and sweet, or tea, don't squeeze the lemon.
Personal choices and personal collecting habits made for sometimes irrational reasons.
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Yesterday I won a Stamporama Auction lot from Frank Garmon (Waldon). He promptly sent an invoice; I emailed him, telling him I would mail a bank draft today. I also told him that I would really appreciate it if he would make it possible to pay by PayPal, and that it would be especially useful if his invoices could include a PayPal link.
This morning, I received an email from him telling me that he had, as a result of my note, done as I requested, and that he would send a new invoice. He did, and I paid it with three mouse clicks. No trip to the bank, no bother with addressing an envelope, no trip to the post office to buy stamps. (I know, I know, I should use the post office, etc.) Even if I have to pay a small PayPal fee, the cost is close to the same as using the mail, and it's a lot less hassle.
Anyway, I'd just like to say that I really appreciated Frank's willingness to include PayPal in his invoicing. I wish all non-PayPal dealers would understand how convenient that service is for their customers. They might be more amenable if they realized that I have on occasion decided not to bid on common items just because they wouldn't take PayPal.
Bob
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26 Jul 2011
12:36:17pm
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Where's the like button??? Oh, I forgot this isn't FaceBook.
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Thanks Frank for accommodating Bob I, who collects postal history but refuses to create it
Thanks Bob for acknowledging Frank's efforts. One of Bob's greatest attributes is his willingness to share: his time, making sure kudos go where deserved; his knowlege (I am the beneficiary of countless tangential reminiscences that morph into other things); and his resources (no single other member has more images on my compture than Bob).
David Igladlyacceptpaypal Teisler
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Postal History — A compound noun referring to envelopes, postal cards, and picture postcards, periodical wrappers, and other ephemera which have served to convey information or products and have passed through one or more postal systems. Not to be confused with the history of postal, althiough postal history items can reveal much about the history of postal systems.
In past decades, cancellations, various postal markings, hand-written notes and instructions, addresses, return addresses, and stamps served to create provenance. By the early 21st Century, postal administrations had become so highly mechanized and efficient that envelopes could pass through the mails with little more than an address and a stamp or postage meter, and it became difficult and even impossible to gain much knowledge of a given envelope's history. The term "ink-jet cancellation" became an epithet among philatelists, as did "self-adhesive stamp" among mere stamp collectors.
Serious postal historians have largely given up the collecting of modern used envelopes and prefer to spend their time researching the stories of older envelopes in order to give substance to their history before they (the postal historians and the envelopes too!) crumble into dust. They actually believe that PayPal is the "world's most-loved way to pay and be paid."
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It's good to see he was accommodating. I know of at least three sellers I just automatically skip over anymore because they are firm on not taking PayPal, even when I've offered to cover the fee as well.
I’ll be honest, I like using PayPal because I'm impatient. Being a computer technician, I like how money issues can be handled quickly online without all that check sending and clearing stuff. It saves me time of writing out checks and envelopes and then waiting for the mail to pick it up.
And God forbid the seller lives in Canada. I feel sorry for our northern neighbors. If their postal carriers aren’t on strike, then it takes almost 2 weeks for stuff to get to them, and visa versa.
Like I said, it allows me to get my stuff that much quicker, and I don’t mind paying up to a $1 in fees for that to happen.
-Pat
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I'm afraid that I don't have much patience with Luddites. I am able on my own to throw a spanner in my own works, so I don't need them helping! And I don't buy the argument that PayPal isn't "secure". Hell's bells, what is secure in this world?
I have never heard of a single case where someone went bankrupt because they used PayPal, or credit cards for that matter. A couple of years ago PayPal refunded payment I had made for stamp that I purchased in the Stamporama Auction. The stamp never arrived, and PayPal sent a refund without an argument.
Several years ago my credit card number was compromised; MasterCard called to ask if I had purchased a computer and other electronic gear in Las Vegas. I had not, so my account was not charged. It was a bit of a hassle getting a new MasterCard, but c'est la vie!.
Bob
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I have been using PayPal since its inception. Before PayPal, there was something called Blue Mountain (not sure of name), but it worked on same principal.
Only thing I do not like about PayPal is that if a buyer says they did not receive something, and you can prove to PayPal that it was sent, they still deduct the money from your account, and it is a pain to get it back. It happened to me last year on a eBay lot sent to China. Thank goodness it was covered by Auctiva insurance, and I received full payment back from Auctiva, not PayPal. PayPal believes that the buyer is always right, even though he might be the biggest thief in the world.
Pat, what do you collect?
Richaard
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Thanks All! I am glad I could accommodate; the customer is always right.
Best,
Frank
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Nah, some customers are jerks. Several years ago I briefly called myself an approval dealer. It went really well until it went really badly:
• A customer in Montreal sent me a large cheque with a want list that I could easily fill. I sent the stamps to him, and he responded with another want list, but no cheque. I filled the want list, mailed the stamps, and never heard from him again. A few months later I found his name in a list of philatelic deadbeats.
• A new customer returned his approvals with the terse note that he wasn't about to buy junk from me. He had switched the best stamps, used ones with nice CDS cancels, with really ugly used and damaged copies with very bad cancels.
And then there was the woman, a new customer, who took exception to what I was offering. She took none of my stamps, nor did she switch any, but she did write this: "If I had $10 to spend, I certainly wouldn't spend it on stamps!" :-)
Bob
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I have about had 10 instances of dealers with paypal had trouble with every Da*n one of them. that's why i don't take paypal
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IMHO: Sellers who don't take Paypal, at least for the SOR Auction, are limiting their own selling opportunities.
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25 Aug 2011
06:41:30am
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I have had thousands of PayPal transactions when I combine my purchasing and selling and I have had very few problems.
Bob
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Am selling more now than ever, actually. Had one bad feedback in 13 years. it was over a one lousy dollar purchase. the sob called me all kinds of
names. hassled with the da*ned thing for 2 months.
another time bought some lots. the guy didn't
state he only took paypal. Ebay would not make him sell the lots. So Ebay & paypal can stick
it where the sun don't shine.
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You know what? it's a two way street. dealers that only take paypal are limiting their sales opportunities also. I don't run down anybody that wants to take or use paypal. My
beef is with Ebay & paypal. I just don't like others running down people that don't take paypal.
I deal with one guy on ebay. He's local. I buy something. I go to his place and pay cash.
(Message edited by Stampaholic on August 25, 2011)
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03 Oct 2011
08:49:01am
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I suspect that for every potential bidder who skips a lot because the seller does not use Paypal there is another bidder who, like me, skips the lots of sellers that insist on Paypal.
While I will admit that there have been some lots that I wish I had bid on over the last ten years or so, actually, I manage to spend 110% of each months philatelic budget without resorting to Paypal so to my thinking anything I have missed, I could not have afforded anyway.
In a way, it is like the decision buy mint pristine gum examples from a new issue dealer or seek out postally used examples.
Coffee, black and sweet, or tea, don't squeeze the lemon.
Personal choices and personal collecting habits made for sometimes irrational reasons.
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