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Whilst sorting through some older USA stamps, I found a couple of perfins. Both stamps are the same perfin marking which is a diamond outline with a letter F (inverted), within the diamond shape.
Can anyone shed any light on this one? I haven't uploaded photo as I am at work but with finding two examples of this I assume it is commonplace.
Can post a photo later if necessary
Thanks in advance
Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
I consulted the US perfin catalog and if the diamond is almost square with an F the item would be from E. L. Faber Pencil Co., Brooklyn NY The other type with 3 varieties is a longer diamond shape with F and a single hole to the side in 1 of 3 locations. This one is for The Fairbanks Co. They had 3 locations and the single hole position identifies which one it is. The Faber perfin is common and the other one a bit less so but not rare. Hope this helps. If you can post a pic I should be able to give you a positive ID.
Regards, Bob
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Hi Bob
Unfortunately a little late home tonight so not had a chance to photo these stamps but thanks for info so far. Till I can get images a little more information.
The first is a 2c red 1908 Washington. This has the inverted perfin which is almost a square shaped diamond with no extra perfin hole.
The second is a 5c blue 1922 Roosevelt but this has the perfin correct way up and is the same shape as the 2c red.
Had thought of listing these but no idea of cat value or what would be a reasonable price to list at.
Regards
Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
Your perfins would be the first one Faber. These are fairly common "E" rated so probably no extra value as perfins. The most common is "F" and the least common is "A".
Regards, Bob
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Thanks Bob - won't book that world cruise then
Regards
Stuart
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Dear Bob,
Would you be able to write up a description of the perfins for our archives? Common and rare would be a nice addition I think.
Dan C.
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Hi Dan,
I would be happy to do so but I am not an expert in this field by any means. I do have the catalog 1979 edition. The rating system is just an indication of the relative scarcity of the perfin. Each pattern is rated in the catalog. I also have a collection of several hundred that I purchased many years ago with an inventory of the contents. The number of perfins in each letter group would give some idea of the scarcity. There is only 1 that is rated "A" for example and a lot of "E" rated. For some strange reason there are less "F" pefins in the group and this is the lowest or most common rating. I believe it was based on a count done by members of the perfin club. If applies only to US perfins. Canadian perfins have a similar system which is better explained in that catalog. Foreign perfins have no guide as far as I am aware.
I will write something up and email it to you for inclusion in the archives but you may have to give me a while to get it done.
Regards, Bob
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Dear Bob,
Good man.I'd be happy to get it and to preview it before we submit it for archive consideration.
Perhaps we ought to continue this off the board-if you agree, you can get me at cohendaniel64@yahoo.com
All good thoughts,
Dan
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07:58:04am
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Whilst sorting through some older USA stamps, I found a couple of perfins. Both stamps are the same perfin marking which is a diamond outline with a letter F (inverted), within the diamond shape.
Can anyone shed any light on this one? I haven't uploaded photo as I am at work but with finding two examples of this I assume it is commonplace.
Can post a photo later if necessary
Thanks in advance
Stuart
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re: USA Perfins
Hi Stuart,
I consulted the US perfin catalog and if the diamond is almost square with an F the item would be from E. L. Faber Pencil Co., Brooklyn NY The other type with 3 varieties is a longer diamond shape with F and a single hole to the side in 1 of 3 locations. This one is for The Fairbanks Co. They had 3 locations and the single hole position identifies which one it is. The Faber perfin is common and the other one a bit less so but not rare. Hope this helps. If you can post a pic I should be able to give you a positive ID.
Regards, Bob
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03:43:45pm
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Hi Bob
Unfortunately a little late home tonight so not had a chance to photo these stamps but thanks for info so far. Till I can get images a little more information.
The first is a 2c red 1908 Washington. This has the inverted perfin which is almost a square shaped diamond with no extra perfin hole.
The second is a 5c blue 1922 Roosevelt but this has the perfin correct way up and is the same shape as the 2c red.
Had thought of listing these but no idea of cat value or what would be a reasonable price to list at.
Regards
Stuart
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re: USA Perfins
Hi Stuart,
Your perfins would be the first one Faber. These are fairly common "E" rated so probably no extra value as perfins. The most common is "F" and the least common is "A".
Regards, Bob
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04:33:16pm
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Thanks Bob - won't book that world cruise then
Regards
Stuart
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re: USA Perfins
Dear Bob,
Would you be able to write up a description of the perfins for our archives? Common and rare would be a nice addition I think.
Dan C.
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re: USA Perfins
Hi Dan,
I would be happy to do so but I am not an expert in this field by any means. I do have the catalog 1979 edition. The rating system is just an indication of the relative scarcity of the perfin. Each pattern is rated in the catalog. I also have a collection of several hundred that I purchased many years ago with an inventory of the contents. The number of perfins in each letter group would give some idea of the scarcity. There is only 1 that is rated "A" for example and a lot of "E" rated. For some strange reason there are less "F" pefins in the group and this is the lowest or most common rating. I believe it was based on a count done by members of the perfin club. If applies only to US perfins. Canadian perfins have a similar system which is better explained in that catalog. Foreign perfins have no guide as far as I am aware.
I will write something up and email it to you for inclusion in the archives but you may have to give me a while to get it done.
Regards, Bob
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re: USA Perfins
Dear Bob,
Good man.I'd be happy to get it and to preview it before we submit it for archive consideration.
Perhaps we ought to continue this off the board-if you agree, you can get me at cohendaniel64@yahoo.com
All good thoughts,
Dan
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