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I would like to know how can I differentiate between the Aniline Rose and Scarlet colors in the SG 275a 1d KEVII?
I have multiple of these stamps with color variations.
Appreciate the assistance.
Regards,
Badih I. Barakat
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In its simplest:
rose - has a pinkish tint
scarlet has a slight orange tint
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It,s always difficult to judge these things as colour tends to be quite subjective ie one mans red is another mans scarlet etc. Its not too safe to judge on used due to age and the condition that they were stored under unless they really are pristine. Mint tends to give a better clue. the URL below links to a site that may give you a clue.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Andrew-Vaughan-Philatelics-Limited/1911-Harrison-/_i.html?_fsub=202598219.
Good luck.
Tim.
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You're not kidding, Tim. It can be very difficult trying to figure the color varieties out. Also, color shades from the 1800s may not be the same in the mid 20th century! Printing methods, chemicals used to mix ink colors have all changed, which make the colors different by time period.
So, if you use stamps to compare color shades, make sure the stamps are of the same period.
I have created a "handbook" for myself that I use as a reference to quickly identify common designs, die types, watermarks, colors, and more. For most of those categories, I used old Scott catalogs and cut out the watermarks, die types, etc. For the color shades, I placed stamps alphabetically on black stock pages (note that the background on which a stamp is positioned will affect the way the color looks as well, so always use the same colored stock pages)of the color shades that I have confirmed, such as stamps that only come in one color. Be aware that even when stamps come in one color, there are shades, so put them together. It is then easier to make color comparisons. Unless you're looking for a sample of the pigeon blood ink, this is not an expensive thing to do. Stay with stamps that are clean and preferably unused. On small snippets of paper i write the color and place it next to the stamp. Use acid-free paper for this, or else the acid will get to the stamps and alter the colors!
Now, isn't this such fun?
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Ahhh, yes, those finicky colour varieties...
My favourite experience with that was going through an old German collection in a Leuchtturm (Lighthouse) album, which listed colour varieties shown in Minkus' German Catalogue. I dug it out for this thread.
Scott # 114, issued in 1919 has spots for the following colours:
Pink-Lilac (rosalila)
Lilac-Red (lilarot)
Purple-Lilac (purpurlila)
Dark Purple (dunkelpurpur)
Brown-lilac (braunlila)
I know these are inaccurate translations of the colours; but, with a Swiss mom and a German language degree, I somehow understand the German description of colours better than the English ones. Nevertheless, I challenge you to try to look at a bunch of these stamps and categorize them into these five separate colours. Talk about second guessing yourself...
One of my friends put it best: "We are guys. There are only three shades for each colour in the world - light, dark and regular. That's why men should never go paint shopping. All those fancy names for colours on those samples overload our senses." If I ever see a green stamp described as "emerald sunrise" in Scott's, I'm selling my collection. :-)
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It doesn't help that many people are also colour blind or suffer from other eye related problems. Many of us see colours differently. My daughter is colour blind and she's always asking me what colour something is. I told her once to ask ten different people the colour of something and she would get many different answers.
Red-green colour blind affects approximately 8% of males and .4% of females.
Very few people who are colour blind are blind to all colours. The usual colours that people have difficulty with are greens, yellows, oranges and reds.
Liz
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I do believe "Patches" that the optometry/medical term is "colour-defective" and not "colour-blind".
I am so created. Ironically, this allows me to detect some colour variations in stamps better than people (such as my razer-sharp-eyed wife) with conventional eyesight.
If you soak stamps from paper, even the constituents of the water (distilled excepted) and the paper can affect stamp colours. Stamp-collecting is not rocket science, it is much more difficult than that.
John Derry
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Dear Hapless Male Compadres,
Color is one of those mysteries of life. Andrejs's friend put it exactly right "We are guys. There are only three shades for each colour in the world - light, dark and regular."
If you drive along and ask your wife to identify colors on passing cars, hold on to your hat! Did you know that 'white' isn't white at all-it could be egg-shell,off-white,ecru. I still don't know what that last is-and beige-don't even go there!!! There are colors known to women that we haven't a clue-like taupe.
Guys, it's a scary place out there in color-land.Tread very gently-we aren't equipped for the real appreciation of it, unless you're an artist type and then this whole discussion is ridiculous to you.
Dan C.
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Dear all,
that was great, and confusing as well.
But what caught my attention was the link posted by greenmouse. I noticed an item, 1911 1d Rose Red Imperf/overprint cancel Sg 272 creased, being sold for about $24. In the Scott catalog, the imperforated pair is worth $20,000. How come it is sold for that amount? I have included the picture for fast look.
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It sold for considerably less than catalog value, because the stamp has a revenue cancel rather than a postal cancel.
Also, notice you mention that Scott values the imperf stamp in pairs, because one can trim the perfs off a stamp and make it look like an imperf variety.
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Hi,
I would like to know how can I differentiate between the Aniline Rose and Scarlet colors in the SG 275a 1d KEVII?
I have multiple of these stamps with color variations.
Appreciate the assistance.
Regards,
Badih I. Barakat
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
In its simplest:
rose - has a pinkish tint
scarlet has a slight orange tint
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
It,s always difficult to judge these things as colour tends to be quite subjective ie one mans red is another mans scarlet etc. Its not too safe to judge on used due to age and the condition that they were stored under unless they really are pristine. Mint tends to give a better clue. the URL below links to a site that may give you a clue.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Andrew-Vaughan-Philatelics-Limited/1911-Harrison-/_i.html?_fsub=202598219.
Good luck.
Tim.
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
You're not kidding, Tim. It can be very difficult trying to figure the color varieties out. Also, color shades from the 1800s may not be the same in the mid 20th century! Printing methods, chemicals used to mix ink colors have all changed, which make the colors different by time period.
So, if you use stamps to compare color shades, make sure the stamps are of the same period.
I have created a "handbook" for myself that I use as a reference to quickly identify common designs, die types, watermarks, colors, and more. For most of those categories, I used old Scott catalogs and cut out the watermarks, die types, etc. For the color shades, I placed stamps alphabetically on black stock pages (note that the background on which a stamp is positioned will affect the way the color looks as well, so always use the same colored stock pages)of the color shades that I have confirmed, such as stamps that only come in one color. Be aware that even when stamps come in one color, there are shades, so put them together. It is then easier to make color comparisons. Unless you're looking for a sample of the pigeon blood ink, this is not an expensive thing to do. Stay with stamps that are clean and preferably unused. On small snippets of paper i write the color and place it next to the stamp. Use acid-free paper for this, or else the acid will get to the stamps and alter the colors!
Now, isn't this such fun?
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
Ahhh, yes, those finicky colour varieties...
My favourite experience with that was going through an old German collection in a Leuchtturm (Lighthouse) album, which listed colour varieties shown in Minkus' German Catalogue. I dug it out for this thread.
Scott # 114, issued in 1919 has spots for the following colours:
Pink-Lilac (rosalila)
Lilac-Red (lilarot)
Purple-Lilac (purpurlila)
Dark Purple (dunkelpurpur)
Brown-lilac (braunlila)
I know these are inaccurate translations of the colours; but, with a Swiss mom and a German language degree, I somehow understand the German description of colours better than the English ones. Nevertheless, I challenge you to try to look at a bunch of these stamps and categorize them into these five separate colours. Talk about second guessing yourself...
One of my friends put it best: "We are guys. There are only three shades for each colour in the world - light, dark and regular. That's why men should never go paint shopping. All those fancy names for colours on those samples overload our senses." If I ever see a green stamp described as "emerald sunrise" in Scott's, I'm selling my collection. :-)
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
It doesn't help that many people are also colour blind or suffer from other eye related problems. Many of us see colours differently. My daughter is colour blind and she's always asking me what colour something is. I told her once to ask ten different people the colour of something and she would get many different answers.
Red-green colour blind affects approximately 8% of males and .4% of females.
Very few people who are colour blind are blind to all colours. The usual colours that people have difficulty with are greens, yellows, oranges and reds.
Liz
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The past is a foreign country, they do things different there.
23 Jan 2012
08:22:33pm
re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
I do believe "Patches" that the optometry/medical term is "colour-defective" and not "colour-blind".
I am so created. Ironically, this allows me to detect some colour variations in stamps better than people (such as my razer-sharp-eyed wife) with conventional eyesight.
If you soak stamps from paper, even the constituents of the water (distilled excepted) and the paper can affect stamp colours. Stamp-collecting is not rocket science, it is much more difficult than that.
John Derry
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
Dear Hapless Male Compadres,
Color is one of those mysteries of life. Andrejs's friend put it exactly right "We are guys. There are only three shades for each colour in the world - light, dark and regular."
If you drive along and ask your wife to identify colors on passing cars, hold on to your hat! Did you know that 'white' isn't white at all-it could be egg-shell,off-white,ecru. I still don't know what that last is-and beige-don't even go there!!! There are colors known to women that we haven't a clue-like taupe.
Guys, it's a scary place out there in color-land.Tread very gently-we aren't equipped for the real appreciation of it, unless you're an artist type and then this whole discussion is ridiculous to you.
Dan C.
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06:06:01am
re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
Dear all,
that was great, and confusing as well.
But what caught my attention was the link posted by greenmouse. I noticed an item, 1911 1d Rose Red Imperf/overprint cancel Sg 272 creased, being sold for about $24. In the Scott catalog, the imperforated pair is worth $20,000. How come it is sold for that amount? I have included the picture for fast look.
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re: How to differentiate between Aniline Rose and Scarlet for SG 275a 1d
It sold for considerably less than catalog value, because the stamp has a revenue cancel rather than a postal cancel.
Also, notice you mention that Scott values the imperf stamp in pairs, because one can trim the perfs off a stamp and make it look like an imperf variety.
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