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Anyone have any info about this type of cancel?
...background?
...area of use?
...etc.?
...and why does it say "specials" above the city name?
(...Arno - are you out there??LOL)
Any info is appreciated!
Randy
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This kind of cancelation is used by the office who receved this letter. Look just over the DEC 26 1972 you will read "receved" it's not a post office cancelation but used at the reception and the numeral around show the hours and an arrow show the exact hour of reception... 7 AM. The part of the adress that we see show probably a credit card corporation... they used this kind of cancelation to prouve the exact time of reception of the letter...
hope it's help a little....
Jacques
(sorry for my approimative english...)
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My company still uses a similar rubber stamp on internal company mail - we still have internal documents traveling between offices that need real signatures that are not emailed. Also, if I receive postal mail with my name but the address of the headquarters instead of the office I actually work at, they when send with a batch of internal mail (via Fedex!) and the secretary will mark it when she processes, but usually on the left side of the envelope - although it is really her whim where she stamps it. Postal mail going directly to my office's address would not get the marking.
Hope that makes some sense,
Josh
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i don't think it's postal; i think it's private company as Josh suggests
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Sorry. It is definitely a postal marking. It is from a standard issue time marking device which was used to time and date the receipt of Express/Special delivery mail as required by postal regulations. I have seen a good number of these struck on the back of envelopes from the 70s/80s over the years. These markings do not fit any of my collecting interests per se, so here are the two that I could find as of now. I am sure I have others examples of this marking lurking on covers that I kept for other reasons.
Apparently, a postal clerk noticed an uncancelled stamp in the back room and used the "received-mail-time-marking-turn-dial" device to cancel the stamp. Probably there was no pen on hand 
Edit/add: Oh. As for Randy's question regarding the word "specials:" The designation likely designates the special delivery section of the Minneapolis, MN, post office, which is a large PO. In my examples, you will find 'Office of the Postmaster' (of Guilford, CT 06437) in its stead. The small post office probably did not have more than one of these devices.
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Great info - Thanks Arno! I just knew you'd come thru!!
And thanks to everyone else as well, for jumping in there with your assistance!
A little story of how I came by this item follows, if anyone cares to read further;
(This is kind of along the line of another discussion - 'what did you get yourself for Christmas', but I didn't buy this.)
Just before Christmas, my sister called and said she had something for me that she said I would really like.
I said 'what is it?'
She said 'a barrel'
I said 'why do I need a barrel?'
She said 'because its full'
I said'umm , full of WHAT'
She said 'stamps'
I said 'WHAT?!? how big is this "barrel"?'
She said 'it's about 2 ft. tall and about a foot and a half wide, and its full of stamps'
.................
I had to wait 'til Christmas with the family to get it, but she was right - it was 2 ft. by one and a half ft and it was full! The mother of a friend of hers was a borderline hoarder (like you see on that TV show) and she had to move into assisted living due to her age. So, her children had the job of cleaning out the house.
Thankfully, my sister spoke up when she was told of the barrel of stamps they found, as they were throwing much of what they found into the dumpster.
As you can imagine, I have been having a "barrel" of fun (pun intended!) as I dig thru this thing!
She also told me there was more where that came from, which she will get to later on as they make their way thru the rooms of the house.
Needless to say, it was-and is- a wonderful fun Christmas gift that really wasn't!!
Randy
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05:39:45am
" .... Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun
Roll out the barrel, we've got the blues on the run
Zing boom tararrel, ring out a song of good cheer
Now's the time to roll the barrel, for the gang's all here. ...."
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....and it is STILL being a barrel of fun, Charlie....!
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Why am I posing this unassuming cover here?
Becasue of its back, of course ...
Looking for some other covers, I came across this one. It nicely illustrates that the manufacturer of this "time turn-dial" device did not just supply the USPS, but also private businesses.
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Don't know why, but these cancels are quite interesting to me....!
Thanks, Arno!
Randy
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08:43:13am
Just had a good laugh at myself. When I saw the topic "cancel I.D. help," I immediately clicked on it to see what it was Randy no longer needed help identifying. Words are funny, you have to take them in the proper frame of reference or they mean something else entirely. I obviously wasn't thinking like a philatelist when I read the topic!
Bobby
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12:49:33pm
Do you mean;
" .... You may think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. ...."
???
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01:13:24pm
Yep!
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LOL
Never looked at it that way, Bobby - but I see your point!
Randy
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If I may, I have a question regarding the "Barrel" cancellations. This is one area I am not really up on.
I was under the impression that the "Barrel' cancellations were double-ringed, and were postal only and that the markings / cancellations with the time arrows were something else?? Am I wrong here and can you give me a correct name for these markings with the time arrows? (Maybe I am using the right name lol) Are these, both with and w/o time arrows, both Barrel cancels?
I have a lot of these time arrows in my Canadian military mail collection.
Thanks you.
Chimo
Bujutsu
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Hi Bujutsu,
I would call the "markings / cancellations with the time arrows" a time stamp or, fancy, a rotary date & time stamp. Also see here:
Rotary Date & Time Stamp
As for the double-ringed barrel cancels, I need to see it to say something about it. In the US, they came into use around 1895. Perhaps you can start a new topic and post a picture.
Please feel free to share an image of your time stamp on Candian military mail here. This could be interesting.
I now see these everywhere. Randy really started something here. There is also a very prominent one on a Dutch cover pictured in this month's APS journal.
Arno
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Hi All,
Anyone have any info about this type of cancel?
...background?
...area of use?
...etc.?
...and why does it say "specials" above the city name?
(...Arno - are you out there??LOL)
Any info is appreciated!
Randy
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11:01:12pm
re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
This kind of cancelation is used by the office who receved this letter. Look just over the DEC 26 1972 you will read "receved" it's not a post office cancelation but used at the reception and the numeral around show the hours and an arrow show the exact hour of reception... 7 AM. The part of the adress that we see show probably a credit card corporation... they used this kind of cancelation to prouve the exact time of reception of the letter...
hope it's help a little....
Jacques
(sorry for my approimative english...)
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re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
My company still uses a similar rubber stamp on internal company mail - we still have internal documents traveling between offices that need real signatures that are not emailed. Also, if I receive postal mail with my name but the address of the headquarters instead of the office I actually work at, they when send with a batch of internal mail (via Fedex!) and the secretary will mark it when she processes, but usually on the left side of the envelope - although it is really her whim where she stamps it. Postal mail going directly to my office's address would not get the marking.
Hope that makes some sense,
Josh
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i don't think it's postal; i think it's private company as Josh suggests
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Sorry. It is definitely a postal marking. It is from a standard issue time marking device which was used to time and date the receipt of Express/Special delivery mail as required by postal regulations. I have seen a good number of these struck on the back of envelopes from the 70s/80s over the years. These markings do not fit any of my collecting interests per se, so here are the two that I could find as of now. I am sure I have others examples of this marking lurking on covers that I kept for other reasons.
Apparently, a postal clerk noticed an uncancelled stamp in the back room and used the "received-mail-time-marking-turn-dial" device to cancel the stamp. Probably there was no pen on hand
Edit/add: Oh. As for Randy's question regarding the word "specials:" The designation likely designates the special delivery section of the Minneapolis, MN, post office, which is a large PO. In my examples, you will find 'Office of the Postmaster' (of Guilford, CT 06437) in its stead. The small post office probably did not have more than one of these devices.
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re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
Great info - Thanks Arno! I just knew you'd come thru!!
And thanks to everyone else as well, for jumping in there with your assistance!
A little story of how I came by this item follows, if anyone cares to read further;
(This is kind of along the line of another discussion - 'what did you get yourself for Christmas', but I didn't buy this.)
Just before Christmas, my sister called and said she had something for me that she said I would really like.
I said 'what is it?'
She said 'a barrel'
I said 'why do I need a barrel?'
She said 'because its full'
I said'umm , full of WHAT'
She said 'stamps'
I said 'WHAT?!? how big is this "barrel"?'
She said 'it's about 2 ft. tall and about a foot and a half wide, and its full of stamps'
.................
I had to wait 'til Christmas with the family to get it, but she was right - it was 2 ft. by one and a half ft and it was full! The mother of a friend of hers was a borderline hoarder (like you see on that TV show) and she had to move into assisted living due to her age. So, her children had the job of cleaning out the house.
Thankfully, my sister spoke up when she was told of the barrel of stamps they found, as they were throwing much of what they found into the dumpster.
As you can imagine, I have been having a "barrel" of fun (pun intended!) as I dig thru this thing!
She also told me there was more where that came from, which she will get to later on as they make their way thru the rooms of the house.
Needless to say, it was-and is- a wonderful fun Christmas gift that really wasn't!!
Randy
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
29 Jan 2013
05:39:45am
re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
" .... Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun
Roll out the barrel, we've got the blues on the run
Zing boom tararrel, ring out a song of good cheer
Now's the time to roll the barrel, for the gang's all here. ...."
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re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
....and it is STILL being a barrel of fun, Charlie....!
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re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
Why am I posing this unassuming cover here?
Becasue of its back, of course ...
Looking for some other covers, I came across this one. It nicely illustrates that the manufacturer of this "time turn-dial" device did not just supply the USPS, but also private businesses.
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re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
Don't know why, but these cancels are quite interesting to me....!
Thanks, Arno!
Randy
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They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin
02 Feb 2013
08:43:13am
re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
Just had a good laugh at myself. When I saw the topic "cancel I.D. help," I immediately clicked on it to see what it was Randy no longer needed help identifying. Words are funny, you have to take them in the proper frame of reference or they mean something else entirely. I obviously wasn't thinking like a philatelist when I read the topic!
Bobby
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
02 Feb 2013
12:49:33pm
re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
Do you mean;
" .... You may think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. ...."
???
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They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin
02 Feb 2013
01:13:24pm
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Yep!
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LOL
Never looked at it that way, Bobby - but I see your point!
Randy
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If I may, I have a question regarding the "Barrel" cancellations. This is one area I am not really up on.
I was under the impression that the "Barrel' cancellations were double-ringed, and were postal only and that the markings / cancellations with the time arrows were something else?? Am I wrong here and can you give me a correct name for these markings with the time arrows? (Maybe I am using the right name lol) Are these, both with and w/o time arrows, both Barrel cancels?
I have a lot of these time arrows in my Canadian military mail collection.
Thanks you.
Chimo
Bujutsu
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re: USPS rotary date and time stamps
Hi Bujutsu,
I would call the "markings / cancellations with the time arrows" a time stamp or, fancy, a rotary date & time stamp. Also see here:
Rotary Date & Time Stamp
As for the double-ringed barrel cancels, I need to see it to say something about it. In the US, they came into use around 1895. Perhaps you can start a new topic and post a picture.
Please feel free to share an image of your time stamp on Candian military mail here. This could be interesting.
I now see these everywhere. Randy really started something here. There is also a very prominent one on a Dutch cover pictured in this month's APS journal.
Arno
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