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A while back we were talking about different types of album pages. Up until the time of that discussion I had been using a wonderful program called AlbumEasy to make my own album pages. The look of the custom pages was great, but it was a lot of work and often hard to do because you don't know the size of some of the stamps until you have an example of one. This discussion happened about the time that I decided to start getting my New Zealand hoarding into some order so that I could call it a collection. So I decided to try something different for me and give Bill Steiner's pages a go. Well I just want to let you know that I think that they are great. Here are three scann of pages to show you how they look.
Best regards ... Tim.
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They look great Tim. Does he also have pages available for U.S. specialty stuff?
Dan C.
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Hi Dan,
Here is a list of the United States pages that Bill has available.
Regards ... Tim.
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Beautiful. I like seeing others' stamps.
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I too use Bill's pages .When he started to produce them they were free and you were encouraged to pass on the files as can be seen from this rider to all the countries.
Mine are for Papua New Guinea and My GB and India used in the Middle East and Africa.
He also did blank pages,allowing you to do your (own thing)
I have all these files on disk.
Brian
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Bill revised the copyright notice a couple of years ago. He deleted "friends" from the notice. It also is now online and not included as the first page to his files. Here is the first sentence:
Copyright Notice. Your purchase of a website membership, or a CD-ROM disc, entitles you to use the stamp album page files for the personal use of you or your immediate family.
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I forget whether it was Mike or Randy who turned me on to Bill's work when I asked about foreign stamp albums. His stuff paired up with a digital copy of Scott 2009 has served me well for all of that stuff.
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I have been using Bill's pages for several years and have always been very happy with the results. You have the choice to print just the pages that you want in your album and leave out the ones that may not interest you, such as the full page souvenir sheets that have a high CV and you will probably never own one anyway.
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Thanks Guys,
They really all look so good. So if I have this right Tim, I would need to buy a CD-ROM of the areas of interest to me, and then print them out as I see fit? This would be in lieu of purchasing actual pages already printed out? Or does that last option not even exist?
Remember I go back to the H.E.Harris days of buying supplements to current albums, so much of this technology is new to me.(Also remember that I am so far behind the times that our esteemed Secretary Perry fired me, and trained a chimpanzee to do what I could not)
Just saying!
All the best,
Dan C.
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Way back in 2005 or 2006 I bought online rights to Bill Steiner's pages for a year or so - I downloaded not the PDF files but the Adobe Pagemaker files and redesigned my own album pages. But then I swapped my PM6 with InDesign3 (paid a good amount of money for a single user whereas my PM6 was a 5 user licence)after printing out a few redesigned pages I started dreaming of a more grandiose album pages with the varieties listed to suit my way of collecting (coil singles instead of pairs, special issues listed on a separate page, etc) so instead of redesigning each and every aspect from Bill's Pagemaker files I started building my own pages in Adobe Indesign 3 with some wonderful results.
I still have those PM files for US, Australia, Canada, India, France, Switzerland, Germany and Great Britain - but these are incompatible with Indesign 3 and requires an expensive addon to transfer. If anyone is inclined towards redesigning for their own personalized album pages please check out his website for this type of membership - you must have the Adobe Pagemaker software for this.
But his pages are an excellent way to display one's collection in a simple way at a very low cost. There are many page designers helping design the pages for his website so if you can design you can probably get discounted or free membership even 
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"Secretary Perry fired me, and trained a chimpanzee to do what I could not"
Isn't that putting someone overqualified to do your work.
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Dear Saleem,
Exactly what Perry thought, but he had no choice
Dan C.
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Dan -
You crack me up! Lol
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I did not fire Dan, I pointed out that the US Senate was an area of his expertise. However, Dan can make a decision on his own, therefore, he'd have to run as an Independent.
I still personally prefer to make my own pages, regardless of how nice Bill's pages look. Since I collect multiple types of memorabilia besides individual stamps I want them together because I collect by date.
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Dan,
You buy the CD and it has EVERYTHING on it. The CD contains hundreds of PDF files sorted by countries, years, and specialties. You then view the PDF that you need, and can print off the individual page.
I like this method because it keeps my foreign albums free of what would normally be thousands of blank pages.
---Pat
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If it wasn't for Bill's pages I probably would not be collecting stamps. I had a single-country collection with a Scott album when I "stopped" collecting in the mid-1980's. Although many (and perhaps now a majority of collectors) would disagree, I always felt a "true" stamp collection belonged in an album (as opposed to stock sheets...which I will admit have many advantages over albums). I found the Scott albums with the annual supplements too cost-prohibitive to expand beyond a single country (even though I "secretly" wanted to collect world-wide). When I "discovered" Bill's pages a few years ago they re-kindled my desire to expand beyond the single country. I now have modest collections of six countries, and have planned an expansion into two additional countries in the near future. I find that I enjoy the process of printing out the pages as I acquire the stamps, too. I don't have the Pagemaker program which permits modifying the pages, but I do like the fact that Bill also provides several styles of blank pages which you can use to add specialty items, covers, etc. to personalize your collections.
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Pre-printed pages are available if you do not want to print your own pages.
http://www.stampalbums.com/printed_pages.htm
I download the PDF files from Bill's website for just the countries and or years that I need and print them myself.
Have been a member for many years and overall I'm quite satisfied with his album pages.
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Tim and Brian,
Beautiful album pages and stamps! I think I'll check out Bill Steiner's pages for myself. Thank you for sharing!
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I also have been using Bill Steiner's pages for several years since I got back into my stamps. I too downloaded the Pagemaker files and now have Adobe Indesign CS4 which will read them. I usually use the pages as they come but sometimes I want to re-arrange a page to add or leave something out so the Indesign program is good for that. For newer stamps that I didn't get the pdf files for I can use the existing pages to make new ones. I have even printed a pdf page where I didn't have a Pagemaker template, scanned it into a graphics program and changed it there to add or delete text descriptions or stamps on the page. His files are cheap for what you get.
Brian
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If anyone would like to have FREE pages for all USA, try this site;
http://www.philosateleia.com/
You can get pre-printed pages or just make your own how you want them.
It isn't fancy, but they are decent looking.
Randy
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bought the cd when they were 25 bucks (US mint postage). It was great. kept in the computer ready at all times. made 15 albums. unfortunately all was lost in the fire.Will get another as soon i can a darn printer that works.
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You can add me to the list of "Steiner-lovers." (that sounds bad, but it's strictly platonic.) I was lucky enough to buy one of Bill's CDs when it included the Pagemaker files, so I'm able to modify the pages. (I have Pagemaker AND InDesign CS3)
For me, redesigning the pages is the key. I move all the stamp info down below each stamp, so you can still see it when you hinge a stamp in the album. And I add the SCOTT NUMBER, apparently a big copyright no-no, along with color info and whatever else I can find about a particular issue.
It's probably the biggest single thing that got me back into collecting... being able to design my own album pages. I'm grateful to Bill for making this stuff available.
Best
BG
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FYI, Bill isn't making the pages any more. He gets the layouts from Palo Albums, which he has an agreement with, and converts them to his page format. His pages still are great, and a big money saver.
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I thought it was the other way around. Steiner licenses his pages to Palo. I collect 1840-1940 WW, and the 6,500 Steiner pages for the classical era is then used by Palo for their classical era pages.
Is it different for the modern update pages? Steiner is not designing them anymore? Has he retired?
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I talked about the album pages with Palo. I was told that Steiner uses their page formats for his album pages now. At the beginning, Steiner and a few others created pages. However, Palo never used Steiner's pages.
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The 6,500 pages I have for the classical era are from Bill Steiner.
The Palo pages format is exactly the same for these pages.
Coincidence?
Check out any page between Steiner and Palo for any era.
I haven't found any that are not the same design format.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? 
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Alaouites- Palo
Alaouites- Steiner
Random example from my Steiner pages compared to a Palo page.
If Palo said they never use Steiner pages, they are being disingenuous at best.
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I'm just the messenger here. I checked on the original comment that Palo was using Steiner pages, and that is what I was told by Palo.
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No problem, Michael, it is Palo that is being less than forthcoming.
It is clearly in Palo's interest to minimize the fact that many (all?) of Palo's offerings are Steiner format pages all gussied up.
(Not that Palo's pages may be worth it for many collectors, with the pages - In color for Deluxe version - on nice paper on larger pages. 
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I ONLY use the Bill Steiner album pages, so he much be doing something right!
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Hi Everyone,
A while back we were talking about different types of album pages. Up until the time of that discussion I had been using a wonderful program called AlbumEasy to make my own album pages. The look of the custom pages was great, but it was a lot of work and often hard to do because you don't know the size of some of the stamps until you have an example of one. This discussion happened about the time that I decided to start getting my New Zealand hoarding into some order so that I could call it a collection. So I decided to try something different for me and give Bill Steiner's pages a go. Well I just want to let you know that I think that they are great. Here are three scann of pages to show you how they look.
Best regards ... Tim.
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They look great Tim. Does he also have pages available for U.S. specialty stuff?
Dan C.
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Hi Dan,
Here is a list of the United States pages that Bill has available.
Regards ... Tim.
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11:59:28pm
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Beautiful. I like seeing others' stamps.
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Hi All
I too use Bill's pages .When he started to produce them they were free and you were encouraged to pass on the files as can be seen from this rider to all the countries.
Mine are for Papua New Guinea and My GB and India used in the Middle East and Africa.
He also did blank pages,allowing you to do your (own thing)
I have all these files on disk.
Brian
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Bill revised the copyright notice a couple of years ago. He deleted "friends" from the notice. It also is now online and not included as the first page to his files. Here is the first sentence:
Copyright Notice. Your purchase of a website membership, or a CD-ROM disc, entitles you to use the stamp album page files for the personal use of you or your immediate family.
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re: Bill Steiner's Album Pages
I forget whether it was Mike or Randy who turned me on to Bill's work when I asked about foreign stamp albums. His stuff paired up with a digital copy of Scott 2009 has served me well for all of that stuff.
---Pat
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I have been using Bill's pages for several years and have always been very happy with the results. You have the choice to print just the pages that you want in your album and leave out the ones that may not interest you, such as the full page souvenir sheets that have a high CV and you will probably never own one anyway.
Mike
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Thanks Guys,
They really all look so good. So if I have this right Tim, I would need to buy a CD-ROM of the areas of interest to me, and then print them out as I see fit? This would be in lieu of purchasing actual pages already printed out? Or does that last option not even exist?
Remember I go back to the H.E.Harris days of buying supplements to current albums, so much of this technology is new to me.(Also remember that I am so far behind the times that our esteemed Secretary Perry fired me, and trained a chimpanzee to do what I could not)
Just saying!
All the best,
Dan C.
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re: Bill Steiner's Album Pages
Way back in 2005 or 2006 I bought online rights to Bill Steiner's pages for a year or so - I downloaded not the PDF files but the Adobe Pagemaker files and redesigned my own album pages. But then I swapped my PM6 with InDesign3 (paid a good amount of money for a single user whereas my PM6 was a 5 user licence)after printing out a few redesigned pages I started dreaming of a more grandiose album pages with the varieties listed to suit my way of collecting (coil singles instead of pairs, special issues listed on a separate page, etc) so instead of redesigning each and every aspect from Bill's Pagemaker files I started building my own pages in Adobe Indesign 3 with some wonderful results.
I still have those PM files for US, Australia, Canada, India, France, Switzerland, Germany and Great Britain - but these are incompatible with Indesign 3 and requires an expensive addon to transfer. If anyone is inclined towards redesigning for their own personalized album pages please check out his website for this type of membership - you must have the Adobe Pagemaker software for this.
But his pages are an excellent way to display one's collection in a simple way at a very low cost. There are many page designers helping design the pages for his website so if you can design you can probably get discounted or free membership even
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"Secretary Perry fired me, and trained a chimpanzee to do what I could not"
Isn't that putting someone overqualified to do your work.
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Dear Saleem,
Exactly what Perry thought, but he had no choice
Dan C.
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Dan -
You crack me up! Lol
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I did not fire Dan, I pointed out that the US Senate was an area of his expertise. However, Dan can make a decision on his own, therefore, he'd have to run as an Independent.
I still personally prefer to make my own pages, regardless of how nice Bill's pages look. Since I collect multiple types of memorabilia besides individual stamps I want them together because I collect by date.
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Dan,
You buy the CD and it has EVERYTHING on it. The CD contains hundreds of PDF files sorted by countries, years, and specialties. You then view the PDF that you need, and can print off the individual page.
I like this method because it keeps my foreign albums free of what would normally be thousands of blank pages.
---Pat
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If it wasn't for Bill's pages I probably would not be collecting stamps. I had a single-country collection with a Scott album when I "stopped" collecting in the mid-1980's. Although many (and perhaps now a majority of collectors) would disagree, I always felt a "true" stamp collection belonged in an album (as opposed to stock sheets...which I will admit have many advantages over albums). I found the Scott albums with the annual supplements too cost-prohibitive to expand beyond a single country (even though I "secretly" wanted to collect world-wide). When I "discovered" Bill's pages a few years ago they re-kindled my desire to expand beyond the single country. I now have modest collections of six countries, and have planned an expansion into two additional countries in the near future. I find that I enjoy the process of printing out the pages as I acquire the stamps, too. I don't have the Pagemaker program which permits modifying the pages, but I do like the fact that Bill also provides several styles of blank pages which you can use to add specialty items, covers, etc. to personalize your collections.
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Pre-printed pages are available if you do not want to print your own pages.
http://www.stampalbums.com/printed_pages.htm
I download the PDF files from Bill's website for just the countries and or years that I need and print them myself.
Have been a member for many years and overall I'm quite satisfied with his album pages.
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23 Jan 2013
07:47:54pm
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Tim and Brian,
Beautiful album pages and stamps! I think I'll check out Bill Steiner's pages for myself. Thank you for sharing!
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I also have been using Bill Steiner's pages for several years since I got back into my stamps. I too downloaded the Pagemaker files and now have Adobe Indesign CS4 which will read them. I usually use the pages as they come but sometimes I want to re-arrange a page to add or leave something out so the Indesign program is good for that. For newer stamps that I didn't get the pdf files for I can use the existing pages to make new ones. I have even printed a pdf page where I didn't have a Pagemaker template, scanned it into a graphics program and changed it there to add or delete text descriptions or stamps on the page. His files are cheap for what you get.
Brian
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If anyone would like to have FREE pages for all USA, try this site;
http://www.philosateleia.com/
You can get pre-printed pages or just make your own how you want them.
It isn't fancy, but they are decent looking.
Randy
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bought the cd when they were 25 bucks (US mint postage). It was great. kept in the computer ready at all times. made 15 albums. unfortunately all was lost in the fire.Will get another as soon i can a darn printer that works.
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You can add me to the list of "Steiner-lovers." (that sounds bad, but it's strictly platonic.) I was lucky enough to buy one of Bill's CDs when it included the Pagemaker files, so I'm able to modify the pages. (I have Pagemaker AND InDesign CS3)
For me, redesigning the pages is the key. I move all the stamp info down below each stamp, so you can still see it when you hinge a stamp in the album. And I add the SCOTT NUMBER, apparently a big copyright no-no, along with color info and whatever else I can find about a particular issue.
It's probably the biggest single thing that got me back into collecting... being able to design my own album pages. I'm grateful to Bill for making this stuff available.
Best
BG
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FYI, Bill isn't making the pages any more. He gets the layouts from Palo Albums, which he has an agreement with, and converts them to his page format. His pages still are great, and a big money saver.
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I thought it was the other way around. Steiner licenses his pages to Palo. I collect 1840-1940 WW, and the 6,500 Steiner pages for the classical era is then used by Palo for their classical era pages.
Is it different for the modern update pages? Steiner is not designing them anymore? Has he retired?
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I talked about the album pages with Palo. I was told that Steiner uses their page formats for his album pages now. At the beginning, Steiner and a few others created pages. However, Palo never used Steiner's pages.
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re: Bill Steiner's Album Pages
The 6,500 pages I have for the classical era are from Bill Steiner.
The Palo pages format is exactly the same for these pages.
Coincidence?
Check out any page between Steiner and Palo for any era.
I haven't found any that are not the same design format.
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Alaouites- Palo
Alaouites- Steiner
Random example from my Steiner pages compared to a Palo page.
If Palo said they never use Steiner pages, they are being disingenuous at best.
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I'm just the messenger here. I checked on the original comment that Palo was using Steiner pages, and that is what I was told by Palo.
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No problem, Michael, it is Palo that is being less than forthcoming.
It is clearly in Palo's interest to minimize the fact that many (all?) of Palo's offerings are Steiner format pages all gussied up.
(Not that Palo's pages may be worth it for many collectors, with the pages - In color for Deluxe version - on nice paper on larger pages. )
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I ONLY use the Bill Steiner album pages, so he much be doing something right!
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