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It is Michel 39y (perf 13 1/4), very nice cancel, now - if someone have any doubt
about this stamp?
I ask for simple reason, because I'm not expert in Russia material, and want to offer it for sale around, but wish to avoid any "surprise" in the end.
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Milco
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Milco,
This not only a very rare stamp if it is real, but it also is known to have been forged extensively as per the note in Michell or Scott. I checked my Russian stamps, and your stamp just does not look good. Especially the irregular perforation and "blotchy" ink of the cancellation. Just compare to some originals. I can scan some stamps from my collection tomorrow. To be sure: you do not need an original Michel 39y (= Scott 40). You can line this stamp up against any cheap Michel 55/56 and hopefully the size of the perforation holes will tell the story.
Edit: It is a Fournier forgery. See here for the Russia page from the Fournier Album picturing the fake cancellation. All fake Fournier cancels -- to the best of my knowledge -- were fixed, i.e., did not have movable types. I weeded out hundreds of French Colonies Fournier forgeries from dealers' stock and from collections over the years. This stuff is super common (the French Colonies, don't know about Russia). True "Album Weeds."
However, there is a good collectors market for Fournier forgeries and if you put it on ebay, I guess you should get $50.
Arno
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02:26:33am
An aside note to Arno (and others) re: Fournier forgeries - I've seen quite a few sought after Fournier fetch some good prices (not just on ebay but through auction houses). If you get a Fournier of a genuine stamp that cv's $10k or more - I've seen Fournier's go for several hundreds. The typeset of the cancellation is spot on from my own experience with them - quite fixed. "Mint" Fournier's are also considered an artform amongst some who collect forgeries.
Just my two cents.
Kelly
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Yes, Kelly, while Mico does not have a genuine Scott 40, he still has "something." It is not worthless. Who knows, perhaps he experiences a surprise and gets more for it than for a genuine stamp.
My remark about the fixed types in Fournier cancels was perhaps not clear. I meant to say that fake cancellers made by Fournier do not have moveable date types. Time/date are fixed, integrated, and so the cancel always shows the same date.
Well, Mico's post made me dig out my imperial Russia -- which I had not looked at in some years. I am lacking all the better stamps; I did not get too serious about this collection. Perhaps I should get back into it. Really nice stamps.
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Here is one item that I will need someone's opinion - just opinion, not expertise.
It is Michel 39y (perf 13 1/4), very nice cancel, now - if someone have any doubt
about this stamp?
I ask for simple reason, because I'm not expert in Russia material, and want to offer it for sale around, but wish to avoid any "surprise" in the end.
best regards
Milco
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re: Early Russia
Milco,
This not only a very rare stamp if it is real, but it also is known to have been forged extensively as per the note in Michell or Scott. I checked my Russian stamps, and your stamp just does not look good. Especially the irregular perforation and "blotchy" ink of the cancellation. Just compare to some originals. I can scan some stamps from my collection tomorrow. To be sure: you do not need an original Michel 39y (= Scott 40). You can line this stamp up against any cheap Michel 55/56 and hopefully the size of the perforation holes will tell the story.
Edit: It is a Fournier forgery. See here for the Russia page from the Fournier Album picturing the fake cancellation. All fake Fournier cancels -- to the best of my knowledge -- were fixed, i.e., did not have movable types. I weeded out hundreds of French Colonies Fournier forgeries from dealers' stock and from collections over the years. This stuff is super common (the French Colonies, don't know about Russia). True "Album Weeds."
However, there is a good collectors market for Fournier forgeries and if you put it on ebay, I guess you should get $50.
Arno
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25 Apr 2013
02:26:33am
re: Early Russia
An aside note to Arno (and others) re: Fournier forgeries - I've seen quite a few sought after Fournier fetch some good prices (not just on ebay but through auction houses). If you get a Fournier of a genuine stamp that cv's $10k or more - I've seen Fournier's go for several hundreds. The typeset of the cancellation is spot on from my own experience with them - quite fixed. "Mint" Fournier's are also considered an artform amongst some who collect forgeries.
Just my two cents.
Kelly
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re: Early Russia
Yes, Kelly, while Mico does not have a genuine Scott 40, he still has "something." It is not worthless. Who knows, perhaps he experiences a surprise and gets more for it than for a genuine stamp.
My remark about the fixed types in Fournier cancels was perhaps not clear. I meant to say that fake cancellers made by Fournier do not have moveable date types. Time/date are fixed, integrated, and so the cancel always shows the same date.
Well, Mico's post made me dig out my imperial Russia -- which I had not looked at in some years. I am lacking all the better stamps; I did not get too serious about this collection. Perhaps I should get back into it. Really nice stamps.
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