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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

 

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earthmover21

28 Nov 2013
11:33:15am
Hellow everybody Happy Thanksgivings to all.

Found this in my piles,Reg GB SC#128 but has a buisness for cancellation.Reads
John Newton & Sons
Public Notaries
81 Lombard St.
London
Was wondering if this is a pre paid stamp,bulk rate or what any value other then normal?
any help is greatly apprciated,SteveImage Not Found

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khj
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28 Nov 2013
12:49:46pm
re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

This is an example of a "commercial overprint" on a Great Britain stamp. They are also sometimes called "security overprints". In general, they were used for paying certain taxes and also on receipts, and once overprinted, they could not be used for postage.

Here is a link to a site that explains it better than I ever could:

Commercial Overprint Society of Great Britain

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earthmover21

01 Dec 2013
07:37:59am
re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

thanks for the help K

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oldbloke

15 Jul 2014
08:47:32pm
re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

It is possible, I suppose, that this stamp is an under print that has been over printed.
It was a form of advertising and it seems an anti theft measure, to do such under prints and I am certain with some investigation on the web more information will come to light.

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TuskenRaider
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15 Jul 2014
10:29:14pm
re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

Hi Everyone;

If it was used for payment of certain taxes, that makes it a revenue cancel, right?

Just curious
Ken Tall Pines

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nigelc
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16 Jul 2014
12:06:49pm
re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

Hi oldbloke,

"Underprints" (overprints on the back of the stamp) were only allowed in the UK for a short period in the nineteenth century and only a small number of companies were ever given approval to use them. They are listed in detail in the Queen Victoria volume of the Stanley Gibbons specialised GB catalogue.

The main purpose of these underprints and also of the later UK perfins and commercial overprints was to make it impossible for employees of a company to steal the mint stamnps and exchange them for cash at a post office.

The underprints weren't very successful and were soon overtaken by the introduction of perfins which had the added benefit of being visible when used on an envelope or card.


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malcolm197

08 Nov 2014
04:56:04pm
re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

The overprints were usually used for receipts. When you paid your utility bill or municipal rate ( property tax ) there was until relatively late in the pre-decimal period a 2d (Originally 1d) on the receipt.An overprinted stamp was generally affixed to the receipt, and was generally oversigned by the person accepting the money. Actually all "financial instruments" were liable to the tax including cheques ( usually prestamped with an impressed stamp ).Even my Birth certificate ( 1947 ) has a 2d stamp affixed and oversigned by the registration official. It should be noted that unoverprinted stamps could be used - the private overprints were merely used as a revenue protection device, by larger users.

Malcolm

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earthmover21

28 Nov 2013
11:33:15am

Hellow everybody Happy Thanksgivings to all.

Found this in my piles,Reg GB SC#128 but has a buisness for cancellation.Reads
John Newton & Sons
Public Notaries
81 Lombard St.
London
Was wondering if this is a pre paid stamp,bulk rate or what any value other then normal?
any help is greatly apprciated,SteveImage Not Found

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khj

28 Nov 2013
12:49:46pm

re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

This is an example of a "commercial overprint" on a Great Britain stamp. They are also sometimes called "security overprints". In general, they were used for paying certain taxes and also on receipts, and once overprinted, they could not be used for postage.

Here is a link to a site that explains it better than I ever could:

Commercial Overprint Society of Great Britain

k

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earthmover21

01 Dec 2013
07:37:59am

re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

thanks for the help K

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oldbloke

15 Jul 2014
08:47:32pm

re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

It is possible, I suppose, that this stamp is an under print that has been over printed.
It was a form of advertising and it seems an anti theft measure, to do such under prints and I am certain with some investigation on the web more information will come to light.

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TuskenRaider

15 Jul 2014
10:29:14pm

re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

Hi Everyone;

If it was used for payment of certain taxes, that makes it a revenue cancel, right?

Just curious
Ken Tall Pines

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nigelc

16 Jul 2014
12:06:49pm

re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

Hi oldbloke,

"Underprints" (overprints on the back of the stamp) were only allowed in the UK for a short period in the nineteenth century and only a small number of companies were ever given approval to use them. They are listed in detail in the Queen Victoria volume of the Stanley Gibbons specialised GB catalogue.

The main purpose of these underprints and also of the later UK perfins and commercial overprints was to make it impossible for employees of a company to steal the mint stamnps and exchange them for cash at a post office.

The underprints weren't very successful and were soon overtaken by the introduction of perfins which had the added benefit of being visible when used on an envelope or card.


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malcolm197

08 Nov 2014
04:56:04pm

re: Great Britain SC# 128 with buisness name for cancel

The overprints were usually used for receipts. When you paid your utility bill or municipal rate ( property tax ) there was until relatively late in the pre-decimal period a 2d (Originally 1d) on the receipt.An overprinted stamp was generally affixed to the receipt, and was generally oversigned by the person accepting the money. Actually all "financial instruments" were liable to the tax including cheques ( usually prestamped with an impressed stamp ).Even my Birth certificate ( 1947 ) has a 2d stamp affixed and oversigned by the registration official. It should be noted that unoverprinted stamps could be used - the private overprints were merely used as a revenue protection device, by larger users.

Malcolm

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