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24 Jul 2014
11:34:57pm
Tonight I learned a bit about Wesson cancels thanks to another member. I went through my boxes of banknotes covers and found 27 from 9 different cities and 7 different states. I did some internet surfing and I was wondering if there is a database online that lists how many cities had this canceling device? I was also wondering how long it was used? My oldest is 6/12/83 and the most recent is 7/9/87. It would also be good to learn the scarcity of the different types.
I am going to go through my postal cards next looking for more.
I know someone will ask for an image, but I put new ink cartridges in my scanner last night and now the computer and the scanner are not talking to each other. I know, I know, disconnect, reconnect, cuss, do it again and then when I am about to give up by some miracle it will all work again.
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25 Jul 2014
07:53:46am
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Awe I do hope that you will share your interest....so much to find in those little shoe boxes of envelopes...Cheryl

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25 Jul 2014
11:35:01am
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It took hours to get through my box of 19th century postal cards and I came up with Bupkiss. No Wesson's to add. I think I got lucky with the banknotes.

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25 Jul 2014
12:51:35pm
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Hi postmark,

I am not aware of an online listing of these cancels. Recall, I was searching for a reference for these cancels myself for a long time. I do not believe it will violate the copyright if I just type up here a list of the know cities. Hope to do that tonight late. In many cases there are numerous different cancels known for each city, i.e., different cancel styles plus all the different numbers and letters in the duplex killer, or yet more challenging the different carved cork killers used in some towns. So eventually there is no substitute to buying a book if you go beyond a casual interest.

Arno
P.S. Thinking about it, I guess my interest in the Wessons qualifies as casual. I guess I just like books on stamps.

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25 Jul 2014
02:18:22pm
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Well my interest is probably casual as well seeing I have less than 30 total. I will look for them now in dollar boxes and such. I saw your book listings. I'm not ready to buy a book unless it is cheap, like me.
Pat

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25 Jul 2014
02:50:41pm
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"I do not believe it will violate the copyright if I just type up here a list of the know cities. Hope to do that tonight late."



Please do! And, maybe at a later stage, it could be transformed into a Stamporama article.
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25 Jul 2014
08:55:27pm
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CT: Hartford, Killingly, New Britain, New London, Norwich, Putnam
IL: Chicago, Quincy
IA: Burlington
KY: Covington, Newport
MA: Ayer, Boston + Boston Revere & Somerville Sta., Clinton, Worcester
NH: Nashua
NY: Brooklyn, Syracuse, Utica
PA: Philadelphia + Philadelphia Stations B, E, F, G, H, I, Z
RI: Central Falls, Pawtucket, Providence, Westerly
SC: Charleston
TN: Nashville
RPO: Bos. Prov. & N.Y., Chic. & Burl.

The short list does not do justice to the variety of different postmarks, taking into account different killers and additional styles for service markings. The variety in hand-carved cork killers from Worcester and Providence is especially staggering.

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Worcester, Mass., C, D, W, received, and transit.

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26 Jul 2014
09:23:00pm
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Arno,
I have:
Hartford, Conn
Chicago, IL
Boston, Mass
Somerville Sta., Mass
Worcester, Mass
Nashua, NH
Brooklyn, NY
Philadelphia, PA
Providence, RI
Pat

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27 Jul 2014
10:15:30am
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Looks like a great start, Pat. I don't think I have a lot more. It is slow growing. Many of the cancels I like, I simply put aside when I come across one. Over time you have a collection.

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28 Jul 2014
07:37:19pm
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Thanks guys...Do you know if the time postmarks were called Wesson in Canada as well...or just a US thing? CherylHurry Up

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13 Aug 2014
05:03:58am
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I have a book on Wesson cancels by Theodore W. Bozarth and compiled by Russell F. Hanmer (Jan. 1989). I believe its out of print. It does not have a copyright notice, but according to what I been told it is not necessary. Anything you write is automatically copy righted (I would like a lawyer to clarify that for me, no own seems to know). In any case its always a good idea to get an authors permission to copy his work when it exceeds "limited fair use."

I believe both Mr. Bozarth and Mr. Hanmer are deceased. I tried to find an address for Mr. Hanmer, but could not.

I have the data incorporated into the Machine Cancel Societies Database as anything that has gone through the public mail cannot be copy righted (such as the towns and dates). Many authors copy right "type" systems, which is allowed.

I sent a letter years ago to Mr. Bozarth at RFD 2, Box 168, Titusville, NJ 08560-9728, but it was returned to me as "moved, left no forwarding address."

I can provide specific information from the book as "limited fair use" if you are looking for a particular city, state or postmark copy.

I have not made up a separate list, but will put that on my "things to do."

The are updates and new material on Wesson's in the Machine Cancel Forum.


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24 Jul 2014
11:34:57pm

Tonight I learned a bit about Wesson cancels thanks to another member. I went through my boxes of banknotes covers and found 27 from 9 different cities and 7 different states. I did some internet surfing and I was wondering if there is a database online that lists how many cities had this canceling device? I was also wondering how long it was used? My oldest is 6/12/83 and the most recent is 7/9/87. It would also be good to learn the scarcity of the different types.
I am going to go through my postal cards next looking for more.
I know someone will ask for an image, but I put new ink cartridges in my scanner last night and now the computer and the scanner are not talking to each other. I know, I know, disconnect, reconnect, cuss, do it again and then when I am about to give up by some miracle it will all work again.

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25 Jul 2014
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re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

Awe I do hope that you will share your interest....so much to find in those little shoe boxes of envelopes...Cheryl

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25 Jul 2014
11:35:01am

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

It took hours to get through my box of 19th century postal cards and I came up with Bupkiss. No Wesson's to add. I think I got lucky with the banknotes.

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25 Jul 2014
12:51:35pm

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

Hi postmark,

I am not aware of an online listing of these cancels. Recall, I was searching for a reference for these cancels myself for a long time. I do not believe it will violate the copyright if I just type up here a list of the know cities. Hope to do that tonight late. In many cases there are numerous different cancels known for each city, i.e., different cancel styles plus all the different numbers and letters in the duplex killer, or yet more challenging the different carved cork killers used in some towns. So eventually there is no substitute to buying a book if you go beyond a casual interest.

Arno
P.S. Thinking about it, I guess my interest in the Wessons qualifies as casual. I guess I just like books on stamps.

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25 Jul 2014
02:18:22pm

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

Well my interest is probably casual as well seeing I have less than 30 total. I will look for them now in dollar boxes and such. I saw your book listings. I'm not ready to buy a book unless it is cheap, like me.
Pat

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25 Jul 2014
02:50:41pm

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

"I do not believe it will violate the copyright if I just type up here a list of the know cities. Hope to do that tonight late."



Please do! And, maybe at a later stage, it could be transformed into a Stamporama article.
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25 Jul 2014
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re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

CT: Hartford, Killingly, New Britain, New London, Norwich, Putnam
IL: Chicago, Quincy
IA: Burlington
KY: Covington, Newport
MA: Ayer, Boston + Boston Revere & Somerville Sta., Clinton, Worcester
NH: Nashua
NY: Brooklyn, Syracuse, Utica
PA: Philadelphia + Philadelphia Stations B, E, F, G, H, I, Z
RI: Central Falls, Pawtucket, Providence, Westerly
SC: Charleston
TN: Nashville
RPO: Bos. Prov. & N.Y., Chic. & Burl.

The short list does not do justice to the variety of different postmarks, taking into account different killers and additional styles for service markings. The variety in hand-carved cork killers from Worcester and Providence is especially staggering.

Image Not Found

Worcester, Mass., C, D, W, received, and transit.

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26 Jul 2014
09:23:00pm

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

Arno,
I have:
Hartford, Conn
Chicago, IL
Boston, Mass
Somerville Sta., Mass
Worcester, Mass
Nashua, NH
Brooklyn, NY
Philadelphia, PA
Providence, RI
Pat

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27 Jul 2014
10:15:30am

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

Looks like a great start, Pat. I don't think I have a lot more. It is slow growing. Many of the cancels I like, I simply put aside when I come across one. Over time you have a collection.

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2010ccg

28 Jul 2014
07:37:19pm

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

Thanks guys...Do you know if the time postmarks were called Wesson in Canada as well...or just a US thing? CherylHurry Up

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rsmall003

13 Aug 2014
05:03:58am

re: Wesson Cancels - I have a lot to learn

I have a book on Wesson cancels by Theodore W. Bozarth and compiled by Russell F. Hanmer (Jan. 1989). I believe its out of print. It does not have a copyright notice, but according to what I been told it is not necessary. Anything you write is automatically copy righted (I would like a lawyer to clarify that for me, no own seems to know). In any case its always a good idea to get an authors permission to copy his work when it exceeds "limited fair use."

I believe both Mr. Bozarth and Mr. Hanmer are deceased. I tried to find an address for Mr. Hanmer, but could not.

I have the data incorporated into the Machine Cancel Societies Database as anything that has gone through the public mail cannot be copy righted (such as the towns and dates). Many authors copy right "type" systems, which is allowed.

I sent a letter years ago to Mr. Bozarth at RFD 2, Box 168, Titusville, NJ 08560-9728, but it was returned to me as "moved, left no forwarding address."

I can provide specific information from the book as "limited fair use" if you are looking for a particular city, state or postmark copy.

I have not made up a separate list, but will put that on my "things to do."

The are updates and new material on Wesson's in the Machine Cancel Forum.


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