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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

 

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DouglasGPerry
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01 Sep 2014
10:14:01am
We've all read about eBay's recent scrapping of its Enhanced Member Reporting (EMR) Program (eBay Scraps Stamp and Coin Review Programs: Linns Stamp News 7-11-14). Recently an online resource, StampSmarter.com, was started to provide recourse for erroneous, fraudulent, or otherwise problematic listings not only on eBay, but any other online venue (including, presumably, SOR). A good summary of this initiative was published in the July-August 2014 issue of The American Stamp Dealer & Collector.

Has anyone in our SOR community made use of this resource yet?

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01 Sep 2014
11:09:50am
re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Here's an example of the new eBay problem. Today I found this item listed on eBay, touted as a US Scott #E7 Special Delivery on cover:
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Authentic E7 covers are scarce and valuable. Clearly, this listing is either made in error (ignorance)--one would hope--or to deceive. The E7 stamp is not tied to the cover by a cancellation; on the contrary, the E7 was cancelled elsewhere, as indicated by the three vertical killer bars that are found only on the stamp, not on the cover. In addition, the E7 was placed over an existing "saw" image identical to the one found on the lower left of the front cover. As further evidence, the cover is missing any "Special Delivery" declaration.

In the new eBay system, one can click "Report Item" but this only takes the user to a very limited set of drop-down menu items, of which the best selection for this particular item is "Report Category = Prohibited and restricted items," "Reason for Report = Stamps, currency, and coins," and "Detailed Reason = Other stamp and currency concerns." That's it: there is no way to enter any detailed information regarding the item in question or the specific reason for filing the report. In other words, it is impossible to report what the issue actually is, making it impossible for meaningful follow-up by anyone at eBay. The likely conclusion is that there is no follow-up at all; hence the need for peer-supported StampSmarter.com.

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01 Sep 2014
05:31:28pm
re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

It's obvious that the E7 was CTO, and then placed on the envelope, making it unique. The straight edge and the crease make it even more scarce. At Wits End

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01 Sep 2014
06:15:40pm
re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

"It's obvious that the E7 was CTO, and then placed on the envelope, making it unique. The straight edge and the crease make it even more scarce."


Why of course!!! Winking

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01 Sep 2014
09:20:37pm
re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Of course it's scarce! I've never seen a cover like this before, so, obviously, it's not only scarce, but RARE! and UNIQUE! BUY IT NOW!

If the cover is sold before you get a chance to bid, I'm offering this RARE! UNIQUE! stamp. Opening bid is a reasonable $25,000. BID NOW!!! BID OFTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR BUY IT NOW FOR ONLY $100,000.99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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01 Sep 2014
10:59:18pm
re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

With all that said, it's a shame that someone messed up what was a nice advertising cover.

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02 Sep 2014
12:27:11am
re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Update: I contacted the seller via eBay's regular "Question to Seller" feature, and I'm happy to report a positive response:

"thanx for your observation/I found this cover a few years ago in a box at a show/I was never quite sure if e-7 was added on or cover was sent this way/ that is why i've listed it has 1910 Newark nj advertising cover with sc#E-7 pecial delivery stamp not has a (special delivery cover)............but I thank you for your input & will note this in listing"

The issue with the seller's item and the process of its resolution was posted on StampSmarter.com. This now provides a reference for any potential buyer, now or in the future.

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02 Sep 2014
01:53:01am
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Michael78651 said, "With all that said, it's a shame that someone messed up what was a nice advertising cover."

Well said. That's usually the situation with bogus covers. On top of the fraudulence of such covers, there is the destruction of authentic postal history items. Sad.

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DouglasGPerry

APS Member #196859
01 Sep 2014
10:14:01am

We've all read about eBay's recent scrapping of its Enhanced Member Reporting (EMR) Program (eBay Scraps Stamp and Coin Review Programs: Linns Stamp News 7-11-14). Recently an online resource, StampSmarter.com, was started to provide recourse for erroneous, fraudulent, or otherwise problematic listings not only on eBay, but any other online venue (including, presumably, SOR). A good summary of this initiative was published in the July-August 2014 issue of The American Stamp Dealer & Collector.

Has anyone in our SOR community made use of this resource yet?

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01 Sep 2014
11:09:50am

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Here's an example of the new eBay problem. Today I found this item listed on eBay, touted as a US Scott #E7 Special Delivery on cover:
Image Not Found
Authentic E7 covers are scarce and valuable. Clearly, this listing is either made in error (ignorance)--one would hope--or to deceive. The E7 stamp is not tied to the cover by a cancellation; on the contrary, the E7 was cancelled elsewhere, as indicated by the three vertical killer bars that are found only on the stamp, not on the cover. In addition, the E7 was placed over an existing "saw" image identical to the one found on the lower left of the front cover. As further evidence, the cover is missing any "Special Delivery" declaration.

In the new eBay system, one can click "Report Item" but this only takes the user to a very limited set of drop-down menu items, of which the best selection for this particular item is "Report Category = Prohibited and restricted items," "Reason for Report = Stamps, currency, and coins," and "Detailed Reason = Other stamp and currency concerns." That's it: there is no way to enter any detailed information regarding the item in question or the specific reason for filing the report. In other words, it is impossible to report what the issue actually is, making it impossible for meaningful follow-up by anyone at eBay. The likely conclusion is that there is no follow-up at all; hence the need for peer-supported StampSmarter.com.

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michael78651

01 Sep 2014
05:31:28pm

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

It's obvious that the E7 was CTO, and then placed on the envelope, making it unique. The straight edge and the crease make it even more scarce. At Wits End

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01 Sep 2014
06:15:40pm

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

"It's obvious that the E7 was CTO, and then placed on the envelope, making it unique. The straight edge and the crease make it even more scarce."


Why of course!!! Winking

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Bobstamp

01 Sep 2014
09:20:37pm

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Of course it's scarce! I've never seen a cover like this before, so, obviously, it's not only scarce, but RARE! and UNIQUE! BUY IT NOW!

If the cover is sold before you get a chance to bid, I'm offering this RARE! UNIQUE! stamp. Opening bid is a reasonable $25,000. BID NOW!!! BID OFTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR BUY IT NOW FOR ONLY $100,000.99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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01 Sep 2014
10:59:18pm

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

With all that said, it's a shame that someone messed up what was a nice advertising cover.

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02 Sep 2014
12:27:11am

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Update: I contacted the seller via eBay's regular "Question to Seller" feature, and I'm happy to report a positive response:

"thanx for your observation/I found this cover a few years ago in a box at a show/I was never quite sure if e-7 was added on or cover was sent this way/ that is why i've listed it has 1910 Newark nj advertising cover with sc#E-7 pecial delivery stamp not has a (special delivery cover)............but I thank you for your input & will note this in listing"

The issue with the seller's item and the process of its resolution was posted on StampSmarter.com. This now provides a reference for any potential buyer, now or in the future.

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02 Sep 2014
01:53:01am

re: StampSmarter.com: Combating Erroneous and Fraudulent Listings

Michael78651 said, "With all that said, it's a shame that someone messed up what was a nice advertising cover."

Well said. That's usually the situation with bogus covers. On top of the fraudulence of such covers, there is the destruction of authentic postal history items. Sad.

Bob

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