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Europe/Germany : Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

 

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DavidG
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21 Sep 2014
09:14:55pm
Folks:

These two blocks are mint, full gum. My friend in Germany advised me that they were used for experiments, in the 1960s, with different cancelling machines the Bundespost was trying to buy.

Can anyone provide anymore information on these stamps? I will share all the information I get, in the form of an article to the SOR community.

Many thanks,

David

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22 Sep 2014
04:20:24pm
re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

Were the 'basic' adhesives issued as normal definitives? I ask this (knowing nothing about German issues) because I see nothing in the overprints that suggests anything about trial cancellation machines.

Entwertet means 'cancelled' and Wertlos means 'worthless'. Both these just look like they were non-machine applied, to void them for whatever reason. Look at the Wertlos 'overprints' in particular; they are not aligned.

Why would you use blocks of stamps to trial a machine cancel? This seems rather odd to me but then I am quite probably wide of the mark.

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Pogopossum

22 Sep 2014
07:15:42pm
re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

The ten pfennig is listed in the 2002 Michel as catalog number 202XP. My German is poor but it looks like it is some kind of test overprint. I have not found the 20Pf

Perhaps some of our German speaking members can look it up and provide some insight?

Geoff

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Pogopossum

22 Sep 2014
07:38:21pm
re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

I found the 20Pf I believe, Bundesrepublik Deutschland Michel No. 352y XP. It is listed as an essay and it does say the overprints were not issued. Once again, my technical German fails me.

Geoff

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23 Sep 2014
03:33:27am
re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

I believe the "essay" status in Michel refers to certain 10pf and 25pf stamps of this set in particular colours (as opposed to stamps with the overprints).

However, one of these West German essays, the 25pf dunkelbraunrot, is only known with the "Entwertet" handstamp.

Michel notes that the overprints were used in the Posttechnischen Zentralamt in Darmstadt.

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23 Sep 2014
04:10:55pm
re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

I've found out what they are. I'm getting some technical information from Germany and will post a full detail on them in the next few days.

Essentially, they were used to test new facing and sorting machines, and the fluorescence of the paper, in the 1960s; at the Posttechnischen Zentralamt in Darmstadt.

More to come...

David

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23 Sep 2014
04:52:41pm
re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

David - I really appreciate all this info - one of my main collections is Germany and this one had me stumped, I've never seen or heard of it before - I looked in my specialised Michel but I guess I didn't look hard enough or I should have looked in the one volume one. Bring on the info Happy

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DavidG

APS member since 2004
21 Sep 2014
09:14:55pm

Folks:

These two blocks are mint, full gum. My friend in Germany advised me that they were used for experiments, in the 1960s, with different cancelling machines the Bundespost was trying to buy.

Can anyone provide anymore information on these stamps? I will share all the information I get, in the form of an article to the SOR community.

Many thanks,

David

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Ningpo

22 Sep 2014
04:20:24pm

re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

Were the 'basic' adhesives issued as normal definitives? I ask this (knowing nothing about German issues) because I see nothing in the overprints that suggests anything about trial cancellation machines.

Entwertet means 'cancelled' and Wertlos means 'worthless'. Both these just look like they were non-machine applied, to void them for whatever reason. Look at the Wertlos 'overprints' in particular; they are not aligned.

Why would you use blocks of stamps to trial a machine cancel? This seems rather odd to me but then I am quite probably wide of the mark.

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Pogopossum

22 Sep 2014
07:15:42pm

re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

The ten pfennig is listed in the 2002 Michel as catalog number 202XP. My German is poor but it looks like it is some kind of test overprint. I have not found the 20Pf

Perhaps some of our German speaking members can look it up and provide some insight?

Geoff

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Pogopossum

22 Sep 2014
07:38:21pm

re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

I found the 20Pf I believe, Bundesrepublik Deutschland Michel No. 352y XP. It is listed as an essay and it does say the overprints were not issued. Once again, my technical German fails me.

Geoff

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nigelc

23 Sep 2014
03:33:27am

re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

I believe the "essay" status in Michel refers to certain 10pf and 25pf stamps of this set in particular colours (as opposed to stamps with the overprints).

However, one of these West German essays, the 25pf dunkelbraunrot, is only known with the "Entwertet" handstamp.

Michel notes that the overprints were used in the Posttechnischen Zentralamt in Darmstadt.

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DavidG

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23 Sep 2014
04:10:55pm

re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

I've found out what they are. I'm getting some technical information from Germany and will post a full detail on them in the next few days.

Essentially, they were used to test new facing and sorting machines, and the fluorescence of the paper, in the 1960s; at the Posttechnischen Zentralamt in Darmstadt.

More to come...

David

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23 Sep 2014
04:52:41pm

re: Entwertet-Wertlos on West German / Berlin Stamps

David - I really appreciate all this info - one of my main collections is Germany and this one had me stumped, I've never seen or heard of it before - I looked in my specialised Michel but I guess I didn't look hard enough or I should have looked in the one volume one. Bring on the info Happy

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