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Hi Cheryl;
Here are a couple links, don't know if they will help or not. Good luck, I had a real headache after sorting all of mine. But the silver lining in that cloud was I found a copy of MH16a. One sold on eBay for $260+.
http://machinmania.blogspot.com/2009/10/litho-v-gravure.html
http://machinmania.blogspot.com/2007/08/prestige-booklet-panes-to-go-all-litho.html
A specialized collection of Machins would be very colorful. I think that is the most beautiful portrait of the Queen I've ever seen!
The links look like a site devoted just to Machins, so exploring over there should be great fun.
have fun sorting
Ken
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Charlie is our resident expert on Machins. He has more Machins than Queen Elizabeth!
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http://www.adminware.ca/machin.htm
Have you tried this site yet?
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There is this site -
http://connoisseurcatalogue.net/index.htm
also this one that Charlie uses I believe -
http://www.deegam.com/
Jacques
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Thank you guys....will check out these sites I already use adminware....very helpful
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Of course, Mack, now that you posted that link, we'll never see Charlie here again. He'll be in Machin "paradise" from now on! 
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For the latest news on security overprints follow blog.norphil.co.uk
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What are Machin stamps?
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Squilter, Think the easiest way to answer your question is to give you this link.
http://www.adminware.ca/machin.htm
Basically they are a long running definitive series from GB that with variations number around 10,000 possibilities.
Ps wife asks whether you quilt? She does, more expensively than my stamps!
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10:13:37am
What are Machin stamps?
As the accepted first country to print small labels with (usually ) a gum mixture on its reverse, the UK has the custom of issuing postage stamps showing only the monarch's image as an identifier.
So for 177 years Royal Mail has issued a series of such stamps, featuring the visage of Queen Victoria, Kings Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, Geoge VI and of course. the present Queen, Elizabeth II, all on an almost standard sized set of definitives. Collecting those sets in great detail is possibly the most popular singular topic in the "Hobby of Kings and Queens".
When the Queen took office upon her father's passing in 1952, a stamp set was designed, based on a photograph by Dorothy Wilding. These "Wilding Stamps" were in use until 1967, when a new fresh image was chosen based on a plaster casting by Arnold Machin, and it is this design that is still issued to this day. It will probably be continued until the end of her reign. The Machin series is now in it's fiftieth year of use.
Over the years, the values have increased due to inflation of postal rates, the colors have changed as well, to provide easier recognition to the postal clerks.
The currency changed from the ancient "pounds, shillings and pence" in use since C ser crossed the channel to a decimal system. Printers were also changed at times also, with the printing presses, the types of papers varied, and also there were attempts at making the stamps more amenable to automatic sorting and eventually, cancelling.
By 1984 there were quite a few varients of these stamps, with increasingly more complex details, and Douglas Myall, who had produced fact filled articles on the previous Wilding series, issued similar articles called "Deegam Updates" on the Machins since 1971. He began to issue a bi-monthly fact filled report for those who were interested in having a complete collection of these Machin stamps. By the 1990s he had accumulated enough information to create a pamphlet style "Handbook". Excluding the "Catalog Value nonsence the hanndbook only suggested the general price range the collector might expect..
Somewhere around that time I managed to stumble across a copy and immediately noticed that the standard SG and SCOTT catalogs, while nicely put together were sadly deficient in many ways.
The first edition grew into the massive "Complete Deegam Machin Handook" which now celebrates its fiftieth anniversary, and computerized fourth edition. Over the next ten or so years the handbook expanded to a loose leaf edition of two volumes that together measure over seven inches in width and the Deegam Updates and reports add another 3½" width.
.
So it became obvious that Edition #4 would have to go on a computer disc. That was accomplished when HB#3 was digitized in 2004 and HB#4 was finished and crosschecked in 2008. The HB#4 disc is continuously updated and current owners, as well as new purchasers. can get their disc brought up to date every years or so..
In the 50 years since their in nception, the number of color, value different Machins has reached about 500 issues and there are about 1,000 - 1,200 counting varients that can be identified with the naked eye and perhaps a small, handy magnifying glass. For those who desire further punishment and are willing to use a strong magnifier, or a handheld UV lamp, the varients grow to well over 2,000 issues.
Doug has devised several ways of making those distintions not found or described in catalogts, such as whether the stamp came from a sheet, a booklet or a coil, whether the stamp went through the press inverted or sideways, (Direction of print.) actually sideways left or sideways right, all of which can be consideres separate stamps, or not, depending how deeply the collector chooses to delve into the stamps. Not to be forgotten are the variations of the Phosphor bands or bars that have been produced by the printers.
The way to measure the "float" of the numerals in relation to the margins are not mentioned by Scott, Gibbons or other catalog publishers except for gross variation. These differences help to determind many varients and the CDMH lists all known numeral floats, left, right, up and of course down.
The Deegam Reports are still issued and are available to disc owners on line as needed. As a matter of fact some of the dates and details have been taken from DR#126 which is open on a separate screen as I write this.
So that is what "Machin collecting is to me, a lifetime of philatelic interest. I hope my memories are accurate.
The Adminware site is really good for the collector who is happy with six or perhaps eight hundred Machins on his or her album pages, and is a great entry way for the budding advanced collector. The CDMH is the favored source for Machin details and data..
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10:57:49am
" ... The CDMH is the favored source
for Machin details and data. ..."
In fact, the CDMH (Complete Deegam Machin Handbook )
is often the only source of some of the Machin details
unless some disc owner has posted an explanation.
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https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=Stanley+Gibbons+Great+Britain+Vol+4&_sacat=0
plate flaws covered as well as vars ...
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02:01:02am
I want to caution members that
the SG Specialized Volume Four
is up to its 11h Edition. The Gibbons
Specialized Series has four volumes
covering different reigns, thusly;
Vol. 1 = Queen Victoria, 1840 to abt 1902
Vol. 2 = The Four Kings, abt 1903 to 1952
Vol. 3 = Queen Elizabeth II, abt 1953 to 1972,
the pre-decimal years. which includes pre-decimal
Machins ½p and up.
Vol 4 = Queen Elizabeth II, Decimals, however.
it is in its 11th Edition.
The 9th edition covers up to about 1999.
The 10th edition covers up to about 2008|
I believe the 11th covers up to about 2014.
They do illustrate plate flaws and some
shade varieties.
That said, I see one of those listed in the link
being the 2nd edition which might not be
as useful as anticipated. Many of the clowns,
(present company excepted, of course.)
offering copies on eBay are book dealers
who seem to think that the older the book
the higher the value, which for a catalog is
the reverse of the usual need.
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GSM offers appended lists as afffordable digital subscription.
. machin watch
. SG specialised update
. archive to 2010
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03:48:25pm
I was most concerned that someone would buy
an overpriced out of date copy. A subscription
to GSM and any updates would be an excellent idea.
Subway Stamp Store in Pennsylvania is running a sale
with many Gibbons volumes at significnt discount.
Other publishers are included in the reference book
clearance sale.
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So much information Oh my 
How will I ever remember all this
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11:31:00pm
" ... So much information Oh my
How will I ever remember all this ..."
For that I copy whole posts and save them to an outside drive.
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quick lookups ...
http://www.bfdc.co.uk/resources/definitives/select/
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09:00:23pm
I am sorting through my Machins and I am wondering if there are any articles, websites etc to help determine the different types of printing ( eg De la Rue Questa Walsall as well as the different types of paper being used ). I found adminware website useful...Are there any other sources available? Thanks Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl;
Here are a couple links, don't know if they will help or not. Good luck, I had a real headache after sorting all of mine. But the silver lining in that cloud was I found a copy of MH16a. One sold on eBay for $260+.
http://machinmania.blogspot.com/2009/10/litho-v-gravure.html
http://machinmania.blogspot.com/2007/08/prestige-booklet-panes-to-go-all-litho.html
A specialized collection of Machins would be very colorful. I think that is the most beautiful portrait of the Queen I've ever seen!
The links look like a site devoted just to Machins, so exploring over there should be great fun.
have fun sorting
Ken
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re: looking for more information on Machins
Charlie is our resident expert on Machins. He has more Machins than Queen Elizabeth!
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re: looking for more information on Machins
http://www.adminware.ca/machin.htm
Have you tried this site yet?
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11:48:44pm
re: looking for more information on Machins
There is this site -
http://connoisseurcatalogue.net/index.htm
also this one that Charlie uses I believe -
http://www.deegam.com/
Jacques
(Modified by Moderator on 2014-09-27 05:16:16)
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Thank you guys....will check out these sites I already use adminware....very helpful
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Of course, Mack, now that you posted that link, we'll never see Charlie here again. He'll be in Machin "paradise" from now on!
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01:53:19am
re: looking for more information on Machins
For the latest news on security overprints follow blog.norphil.co.uk
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What are Machin stamps?
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re: looking for more information on Machins
Squilter, Think the easiest way to answer your question is to give you this link.
http://www.adminware.ca/machin.htm
Basically they are a long running definitive series from GB that with variations number around 10,000 possibilities.
Ps wife asks whether you quilt? She does, more expensively than my stamps!
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re: looking for more information on Machins
welcome to our study group ...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/machincollecting/
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
05 Mar 2018
10:13:37am
re: looking for more information on Machins
What are Machin stamps?
As the accepted first country to print small labels with (usually ) a gum mixture on its reverse, the UK has the custom of issuing postage stamps showing only the monarch's image as an identifier.
So for 177 years Royal Mail has issued a series of such stamps, featuring the visage of Queen Victoria, Kings Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, Geoge VI and of course. the present Queen, Elizabeth II, all on an almost standard sized set of definitives. Collecting those sets in great detail is possibly the most popular singular topic in the "Hobby of Kings and Queens".
When the Queen took office upon her father's passing in 1952, a stamp set was designed, based on a photograph by Dorothy Wilding. These "Wilding Stamps" were in use until 1967, when a new fresh image was chosen based on a plaster casting by Arnold Machin, and it is this design that is still issued to this day. It will probably be continued until the end of her reign. The Machin series is now in it's fiftieth year of use.
Over the years, the values have increased due to inflation of postal rates, the colors have changed as well, to provide easier recognition to the postal clerks.
The currency changed from the ancient "pounds, shillings and pence" in use since C ser crossed the channel to a decimal system. Printers were also changed at times also, with the printing presses, the types of papers varied, and also there were attempts at making the stamps more amenable to automatic sorting and eventually, cancelling.
By 1984 there were quite a few varients of these stamps, with increasingly more complex details, and Douglas Myall, who had produced fact filled articles on the previous Wilding series, issued similar articles called "Deegam Updates" on the Machins since 1971. He began to issue a bi-monthly fact filled report for those who were interested in having a complete collection of these Machin stamps. By the 1990s he had accumulated enough information to create a pamphlet style "Handbook". Excluding the "Catalog Value nonsence the hanndbook only suggested the general price range the collector might expect..
Somewhere around that time I managed to stumble across a copy and immediately noticed that the standard SG and SCOTT catalogs, while nicely put together were sadly deficient in many ways.
The first edition grew into the massive "Complete Deegam Machin Handook" which now celebrates its fiftieth anniversary, and computerized fourth edition. Over the next ten or so years the handbook expanded to a loose leaf edition of two volumes that together measure over seven inches in width and the Deegam Updates and reports add another 3½" width.
.
So it became obvious that Edition #4 would have to go on a computer disc. That was accomplished when HB#3 was digitized in 2004 and HB#4 was finished and crosschecked in 2008. The HB#4 disc is continuously updated and current owners, as well as new purchasers. can get their disc brought up to date every years or so..
In the 50 years since their in nception, the number of color, value different Machins has reached about 500 issues and there are about 1,000 - 1,200 counting varients that can be identified with the naked eye and perhaps a small, handy magnifying glass. For those who desire further punishment and are willing to use a strong magnifier, or a handheld UV lamp, the varients grow to well over 2,000 issues.
Doug has devised several ways of making those distintions not found or described in catalogts, such as whether the stamp came from a sheet, a booklet or a coil, whether the stamp went through the press inverted or sideways, (Direction of print.) actually sideways left or sideways right, all of which can be consideres separate stamps, or not, depending how deeply the collector chooses to delve into the stamps. Not to be forgotten are the variations of the Phosphor bands or bars that have been produced by the printers.
The way to measure the "float" of the numerals in relation to the margins are not mentioned by Scott, Gibbons or other catalog publishers except for gross variation. These differences help to determind many varients and the CDMH lists all known numeral floats, left, right, up and of course down.
The Deegam Reports are still issued and are available to disc owners on line as needed. As a matter of fact some of the dates and details have been taken from DR#126 which is open on a separate screen as I write this.
So that is what "Machin collecting is to me, a lifetime of philatelic interest. I hope my memories are accurate.
The Adminware site is really good for the collector who is happy with six or perhaps eight hundred Machins on his or her album pages, and is a great entry way for the budding advanced collector. The CDMH is the favored source for Machin details and data..
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
05 Mar 2018
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re: looking for more information on Machins
" ... The CDMH is the favored source
for Machin details and data. ..."
In fact, the CDMH (Complete Deegam Machin Handbook )
is often the only source of some of the Machin details
unless some disc owner has posted an explanation.
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re: looking for more information on Machins
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=Stanley+Gibbons+Great+Britain+Vol+4&_sacat=0
plate flaws covered as well as vars ...
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
07 Mar 2018
02:01:02am
re: looking for more information on Machins
I want to caution members that
the SG Specialized Volume Four
is up to its 11h Edition. The Gibbons
Specialized Series has four volumes
covering different reigns, thusly;
Vol. 1 = Queen Victoria, 1840 to abt 1902
Vol. 2 = The Four Kings, abt 1903 to 1952
Vol. 3 = Queen Elizabeth II, abt 1953 to 1972,
the pre-decimal years. which includes pre-decimal
Machins ½p and up.
Vol 4 = Queen Elizabeth II, Decimals, however.
it is in its 11th Edition.
The 9th edition covers up to about 1999.
The 10th edition covers up to about 2008|
I believe the 11th covers up to about 2014.
They do illustrate plate flaws and some
shade varieties.
That said, I see one of those listed in the link
being the 2nd edition which might not be
as useful as anticipated. Many of the clowns,
(present company excepted, of course.)
offering copies on eBay are book dealers
who seem to think that the older the book
the higher the value, which for a catalog is
the reverse of the usual need.
Login to Like
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re: looking for more information on Machins
GSM offers appended lists as afffordable digital subscription.
. machin watch
. SG specialised update
. archive to 2010
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
07 Mar 2018
03:48:25pm
re: looking for more information on Machins
I was most concerned that someone would buy
an overpriced out of date copy. A subscription
to GSM and any updates would be an excellent idea.
Subway Stamp Store in Pennsylvania is running a sale
with many Gibbons volumes at significnt discount.
Other publishers are included in the reference book
clearance sale.
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So much information Oh my How will I ever remember all this
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08 Mar 2018
11:31:00pm
re: looking for more information on Machins
" ... So much information Oh my
How will I ever remember all this ..."
For that I copy whole posts and save them to an outside drive.
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re: looking for more information on Machins
quick lookups ...
http://www.bfdc.co.uk/resources/definitives/select/
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