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Pat
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02:58:28pm
I too am quite interested in hearing any information people have to share about these.
While I collect Belgian Railways, and I have an extensive German collection, I've not had the opportunity to see German Railway or Revenues.
They are not listed in my Michel specialised.
I'm anxious to hear from someone who has an answer for Pat.
Kelly
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FIrst, I do not believe they are anything scarce, and don't command alot of value.
Next, often a countries used to allow private parcel carriers (railways in particular) to issue stamps for handling parcels that were transported by the private carrier. They would be considered to be private issues and thus not listed in the catalogs. It would be nice to have those on covers, but stamps used on parcels do not survive handling very well.
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These are stamps from the Bavarian State Railway (and there a many similar ones from when it was previously called the Royal Bavarian State Railways). This was owned by the Bavarian government.
In 1920 it was merged into the German government-owned "Deutsche Reichseisenbahnen".
As Michael says they are common but it's good to see such large blocks.
I have some in a very similar design from the (Royal) Prussian-Hessian State Railways operating in the states of Prussia and Hesse. I'll scan these and post them here.
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Hi,
Here are two similar stamps from the Royal Prussian State Railways:
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And here's the group I promised earlier from the Prussian-Hessian State Railways:
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04:39:33pm
Nigel,
Those are absolutely beautiful!
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Well here is what I found out. I had posted this on another board and I got a little more information. (I know, shame on me.)
There were 52 main varieties with numerous sub varieties that were first issued in 1904 and the last was issued in 1920. There are five different sets. Mine are from the fifth set issued in 1920. The Erler catalog has these as numbers 44 & 45. Each of those had three varieties. They vary in price from about twenty cents per stamp up to $2.00 per stamp depending on the variety. I don't know paper types well enough to identify the variety, but I know someone that does and I will see him before Christmas. If I were to guess I would say they are the common variety.
I also have not gotten any idea of a premium for full sheets. Some very knowledgeable people have responded to these posts and they have not seen full sheets offered. Still full sheets of common stuff is exactly that. I am not expecting a rarity. I just want to learn more.
....and for the "I learned something by accident" category. I have several of those Prussian Railway stamps that I had little idea what they were. I just assumed they were state revenues or locals. Now I know a bit more, by accident.
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Kelly,
This is off topic, but I also collect the Belgian railway stamps. Do you know where I can find info on the cancels?
Pat
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I have no complete overview of all cancel types for Belgian railway stamps. I do know that at least the following types were used:
Railway cancels:
hexagonal cancel (type B)
rectangular cancel with 3 boxes (type C)
rectangular cancel with 3 boxes, lower box is trapezium shaped (type D).
Postal cancels: circular
Telegraph cancels: octagonal cancel
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Jan,
Good information. I did not know about the telegraph cancels.
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Pat
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02:51:56pm
Pat -
Yes, there is a book that I bought through the Belgian Philatelic Study Circle that is indispensable on types of cancellations, railway systems, etc. Virtually everything you can learn about the Belgian Railway Stamps.
The book is "Jones - Railway Parcel Post Cancellations of Belgium" and you can find out more information on the Railways page. You can get it directly from the society, just send them an email. For anyone who collects Belgian Railways, this is a must have book.
Kelly
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Kelly,
That is a great link and it leads to other great links. Thank you and have a great Thanksgiving.
Pat
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Years ago I got a set of these cheap. I believe they were Bavarian Railway Stamps. I found these two full sheets of the 50 pf and 60pf. Can anyone out there tell me more about them? I am interested in finding out what they really are as well as the value. I know enough to know that Mint German wartime stuff has little value, but these are somewhat unique to me.
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Pat
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22 Nov 2014
02:58:28pm
re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
I too am quite interested in hearing any information people have to share about these.
While I collect Belgian Railways, and I have an extensive German collection, I've not had the opportunity to see German Railway or Revenues.
They are not listed in my Michel specialised.
I'm anxious to hear from someone who has an answer for Pat.
Kelly
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
FIrst, I do not believe they are anything scarce, and don't command alot of value.
Next, often a countries used to allow private parcel carriers (railways in particular) to issue stamps for handling parcels that were transported by the private carrier. They would be considered to be private issues and thus not listed in the catalogs. It would be nice to have those on covers, but stamps used on parcels do not survive handling very well.
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
These are stamps from the Bavarian State Railway (and there a many similar ones from when it was previously called the Royal Bavarian State Railways). This was owned by the Bavarian government.
In 1920 it was merged into the German government-owned "Deutsche Reichseisenbahnen".
As Michael says they are common but it's good to see such large blocks.
I have some in a very similar design from the (Royal) Prussian-Hessian State Railways operating in the states of Prussia and Hesse. I'll scan these and post them here.
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
Hi,
Here are two similar stamps from the Royal Prussian State Railways:
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
And here's the group I promised earlier from the Prussian-Hessian State Railways:
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24 Nov 2014
04:39:33pm
re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
Nigel,
Those are absolutely beautiful!
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
Well here is what I found out. I had posted this on another board and I got a little more information. (I know, shame on me.)
There were 52 main varieties with numerous sub varieties that were first issued in 1904 and the last was issued in 1920. There are five different sets. Mine are from the fifth set issued in 1920. The Erler catalog has these as numbers 44 & 45. Each of those had three varieties. They vary in price from about twenty cents per stamp up to $2.00 per stamp depending on the variety. I don't know paper types well enough to identify the variety, but I know someone that does and I will see him before Christmas. If I were to guess I would say they are the common variety.
I also have not gotten any idea of a premium for full sheets. Some very knowledgeable people have responded to these posts and they have not seen full sheets offered. Still full sheets of common stuff is exactly that. I am not expecting a rarity. I just want to learn more.
....and for the "I learned something by accident" category. I have several of those Prussian Railway stamps that I had little idea what they were. I just assumed they were state revenues or locals. Now I know a bit more, by accident.
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
Kelly,
This is off topic, but I also collect the Belgian railway stamps. Do you know where I can find info on the cancels?
Pat
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re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
I have no complete overview of all cancel types for Belgian railway stamps. I do know that at least the following types were used:
Railway cancels:
hexagonal cancel (type B)
rectangular cancel with 3 boxes (type C)
rectangular cancel with 3 boxes, lower box is trapezium shaped (type D).
Postal cancels: circular
Telegraph cancels: octagonal cancel
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Jan,
Good information. I did not know about the telegraph cancels.
Thanks,
Pat
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26 Nov 2014
02:51:56pm
re: Bavarian Railway Stamps
Pat -
Yes, there is a book that I bought through the Belgian Philatelic Study Circle that is indispensable on types of cancellations, railway systems, etc. Virtually everything you can learn about the Belgian Railway Stamps.
The book is "Jones - Railway Parcel Post Cancellations of Belgium" and you can find out more information on the Railways page. You can get it directly from the society, just send them an email. For anyone who collects Belgian Railways, this is a must have book.
Kelly
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Kelly,
That is a great link and it leads to other great links. Thank you and have a great Thanksgiving.
Pat
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