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15 Jul 2015
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15 Jul 2015
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Dude? Nothing better than split breasts on the grill. Gotta have the bones, the fat and the skin. Smothered in mustard based yellow barbecue sauce. That stamp just made me hungry
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16 Jul 2015
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Phil, the "From Me To You" stamp issued this year laid the biggest egg of all stamps ever issued.

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16 Jul 2015
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When I was a kid, that was one of my favorite stamps!! That and the Palomar observatory stamp.

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16 Jul 2015
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I just don't understand the animosity toward the poultry industry stamp, which is one of my favourite U.S. issues. What's not to like about it? The "rising sun" motif is perhaps unnecessary, but chickens do indeed rise with the sun, although urbanites might not be aware of that.

When the chicken stamp was issued, "agribusiness" had barely begun to make inroads into the rural poultry industry, and millions of Americans made their livings raising and selling chickens and eggs. What's wrong with a stamp commemorating that significant experience in the lives of so many Americans, not to mention its economic significance? Today, poultry "producers" have an obscene record of animal and environmental abuse. Would you rather have a stamp portraying a chicken that spends almost its entire life as an egg-laying machine in a cage in which it can't move, can't have contact with any other chickens, can't scratch in the dirt, and lives in an environment without a change in temperature or humidity, and artificially created day and night?

My mother grew up on a chicken farm in Caton, New York State; she remembers her family receiving large cartons of very young chicks, and mailing — that's right, mailing — eggs to cities. One of her jobs was staying up with the new chicks to make sure they didn't suffocate each other, and how sad she felt when some young chicks didn't survive.

When my sister and I were quite young, our father was closing up his newspaper office for Easter weekend and kept hearing chicks chirping. On a desk, he found a paper bag with two chicks in it and a note from a friend who owned a feed store. The chicks were Easter gifts for my sister and me. Dad built an incubator out of a cardboard box and placed it on a divider between our dining room and kitchen, and the family watched those chicks grow into George, a handsome Leghorn rooster, and Lucy, a Rhode Island Red hen. They were inseparable, and George lived to be about 12 years old as I recall. Here's a photograph, taken around 1953, showing George and Lucy, and the rest of George's harem.

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George was my pet. I suppose you could say he was my friend in the sense that he was very important to me in the same way my other pets were — dogs, cats, white rats, hamsters, and rabbits. I've met many people who are less admirable and less trustworthy than George, and not nearly as handsome! The first time he crowed, he was sitting on my shoulder. He damn near beat my ear off with his wings.

Another memorable moment: my friends James and Ernest Harper up the road a ways had a mongrel named Rowdy, a squat, short-haired, muscular street fighter with a friendly personality that didn't match his appearance as a canine hoodlum. One day he innocently wandered into our yard. George spotted him and chased him all the way home, right up the middle of road to the Harper house.

Chickens have the reputation of being stupid, but they aren't. They certainly have evolved to better survive in their environment than we humans have! They also have developed remarkable and effective social patterns. When we would scatter chicken feed for George and his harem, he would call them over and protectively stand guard while they ate; he would eat only when they were finished. He also had preferences in humans: He apparently liked me, but would always attack my father without provocation. If dad had to pick him up for some reason or other (we once exhibited both him and Lucy at a fair, where they won a gold ribbon), he had to wear heavy leather gloves to avoid being speared by George's long and very sharp spurs, which we finally had to saw off.

We had other chickens, mostly bantams. Cochins — one was a jet black miniature of George that we named Shane after the star of the movie of the same name — and Chinese Silkies, the feathers of which are more like down than webbed feathers. I believe that I learned compassion, in part, from my experiences with these chickens. The Cochin rooster, Shane, was "flighty" in the extreme — no one could get close to him. Then one day we noticed a lump on the side of his head. That lump grew and grew until it was almost as large as his head. It didn't seem to bother him, but one day when my dad and I were sitting together on a bench, talking, when Shane walked up to us, jumped onto the bench, and settled down between us and allowed us to pet him. The next day he died; the bump on his head was likely a tumour. That was a poignant experience for me and my dad.

I often helped my dad deliver new chicks from their shells — now there was an interesting educational experience! — and not a lot different in very broad strokes than my first job in the navy, helping deliver the babies of dependents in a navy hospital in Japan, and then caring for them in the nursery.

Back to stamps: If the U.S. poultry industry stamp is "stupid," then so too must all of the other world's stamps that feature both wild and domestic chickens, and there are many very beautiful ones. Here's a Vietnam chicken stamp — I think that's George!

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Bob

P.S. Lest you think of me as a ex-hippie "chicken hugger," I too enjoy eating chicken (though not without some guilt!). I buy free-range chicken as well as eggs laid by free-range chickens, both delicious I should add. I tried some Safeway chicken a while back. It was edible, but tasteless. Same with Safeway eggs. My next post in this thread will be a recipe which my family has enjoyed many times over the last 55 years or so.

Bob

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16 Jul 2015
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Bring on that recipe Bob! I've been cooking all summer. I'll give it a go!
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Purushottam Gorkhaly’s Chicken & Rice Pilau*

This recipe was given to my mother, Hazel Ingraham, by Purushottam Gorkhaly, a Nepalese who had been sent to the U.S. in 1962 to study hydrology. He was one of four Nepalese in the U.S. at that time; Nepal was very much a "closed" country at that time. The recipe became an Ingraham-family favourite.

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Preparation time: 2 1/2 hours

• Scrub one fryer (2-3 lbs.) or use
breasts, thighs and legs. Boil in
salted water for about 1 1/2 hours.

• Rub 1 cup rice of your choice with 2 tbsp/15ml margarine or butter with your hands. Cook rice in the chicken broth until tender, adding more water if necessary.

• Cut chicken in small pieces and fry lightly in butter or oil.

• Add spices:

- 3/4 t. cumin
- 1/4 t. pepper
- 1/2 t. garlic powder
- 1/4 tsp cinnamon


Note: cumin and cinnamon are key ingredients for the dish's unique flavour.

• Add rice and cook slowly (15-20 minutes for white rice, 45 minutes or so for brown rice) to mix flavours.

(Plain yogurt or sour cream sprinkled with chopped green onion or chives makes a nice condiment to go with this delicious meal. Fresh fruit salad is a nice complement too.)


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Bob

* Also spelled pilaf , pilaff , pilao , pilaw or pulao, depending on where you live.

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16 Jul 2015
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Eric, i have a grill and a wife also ! But now one of those turkey breasts they cook in the super market and sell for about 6 bucks is much of our weeks meat supply. I worked on chicken farms during my high school years. The White Leghorn is a good egg producer but a vicious beast...if they spot blood on another chicken they will pick it to pieces...not a nice thing to witness.

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18 Jul 2015
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I have always loved this stamp!
It took me quite a while to acquire a MNH stamp for my collection.
It still makes me smile!Happy

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jimjung

18 Jul 2015
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Did Foghorn just get a bad rap Angel
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My Grandpa and my father were in the restaurant business in the 1950's and they said that chicken breasts and legs were sold as parts but the wings were often thrown away. So my Dad would get them for free when he bought his chicken meat for the restaurant. Much like you might get some bones from the butcher for soup.

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18 Jul 2015
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Yup, they were throw aways until the late 1960s when Theressa Bellissimo, co-owner of The Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New York got the idea to fry them up and toss them in a spicy sauce.. there are several versions of "why" but the result is the same!

I recently noticed that large packs of chicken wings now cost more per pound than chicken legs! I love to make my own on the grill during the summer, so last batch I bought both wings and legs. The legs were as good as the wings, so I'll do that from now on.

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18 Jul 2015
03:33:24pm
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Tom, you're so right. Chicken wings used to be priced at little more than fish bait.

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18 Jul 2015
05:40:23pm
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You can say the same about other cuts of meat as well. Brisket and skirt steak (fajita meat) are junk pieces of meat. As popularity for brisket and fajitas rose, so has the price of those cuts of meat. Brisket used to be 19 cents a pound here in Texas. Now it's around $10 a pound. I haven't cooked a brisket in years.

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18 Jul 2015
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Thank goodness everyone is still squeamish about chicken hearts and giblets...Big Grin

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18 Jul 2015
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Giblets and gravy with dumplings.... a Northern Ontario / Ottawa Valley favourite. My grandmother used to make that for me. As for Foghorn Leghorn, my favourite cartoon character!

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18 Jul 2015
08:47:39pm
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@Bobstamp,
Hey, I was gonna try that recipe but the cinnamon and yogurt threw me for a loop. I thought you were gonna throw out an awesome fried chicken recipe!
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21 Jul 2015
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My mom told me several times they always threw out the chicken wings, as useless and they grew up during the depression, so that was very surprising for me to hear. Unless, of course, they had a lot of money hidden away that I never knew about. That's just too funny. I still am amazed how they can sell so many chicken wings, when there are only two to a bird. Makes one wonder if they haven't developed a Super multi-winged chicken someplace.

Foghorn Leghorn was also always one of my favorites.
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21 Jul 2015
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Harland Sanders (the "Colonel") said that the wings were his favorite part of the chicken, as they are mine. I remember in college (only original recipe back then) I could get 6 wings for next to nothing - no one wanted them so they practically gave them away. The Colonel lived to age 90, so I guess there must be something to eating a lot of wings.

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21 Jul 2015
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I really like the herbs and spices on the original recipe but it just always seems so darn greasy. We don't get KFC often but when we do I prefer the extra crispy

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Dude? Nothing better than split breasts on the grill. Gotta have the bones, the fat and the skin. Smothered in mustard based yellow barbecue sauce. That stamp just made me hungry
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When I was a kid, that was one of my favorite stamps!! That and the Palomar observatory stamp.

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16 Jul 2015
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I just don't understand the animosity toward the poultry industry stamp, which is one of my favourite U.S. issues. What's not to like about it? The "rising sun" motif is perhaps unnecessary, but chickens do indeed rise with the sun, although urbanites might not be aware of that.

When the chicken stamp was issued, "agribusiness" had barely begun to make inroads into the rural poultry industry, and millions of Americans made their livings raising and selling chickens and eggs. What's wrong with a stamp commemorating that significant experience in the lives of so many Americans, not to mention its economic significance? Today, poultry "producers" have an obscene record of animal and environmental abuse. Would you rather have a stamp portraying a chicken that spends almost its entire life as an egg-laying machine in a cage in which it can't move, can't have contact with any other chickens, can't scratch in the dirt, and lives in an environment without a change in temperature or humidity, and artificially created day and night?

My mother grew up on a chicken farm in Caton, New York State; she remembers her family receiving large cartons of very young chicks, and mailing — that's right, mailing — eggs to cities. One of her jobs was staying up with the new chicks to make sure they didn't suffocate each other, and how sad she felt when some young chicks didn't survive.

When my sister and I were quite young, our father was closing up his newspaper office for Easter weekend and kept hearing chicks chirping. On a desk, he found a paper bag with two chicks in it and a note from a friend who owned a feed store. The chicks were Easter gifts for my sister and me. Dad built an incubator out of a cardboard box and placed it on a divider between our dining room and kitchen, and the family watched those chicks grow into George, a handsome Leghorn rooster, and Lucy, a Rhode Island Red hen. They were inseparable, and George lived to be about 12 years old as I recall. Here's a photograph, taken around 1953, showing George and Lucy, and the rest of George's harem.

Image Not Found

George was my pet. I suppose you could say he was my friend in the sense that he was very important to me in the same way my other pets were — dogs, cats, white rats, hamsters, and rabbits. I've met many people who are less admirable and less trustworthy than George, and not nearly as handsome! The first time he crowed, he was sitting on my shoulder. He damn near beat my ear off with his wings.

Another memorable moment: my friends James and Ernest Harper up the road a ways had a mongrel named Rowdy, a squat, short-haired, muscular street fighter with a friendly personality that didn't match his appearance as a canine hoodlum. One day he innocently wandered into our yard. George spotted him and chased him all the way home, right up the middle of road to the Harper house.

Chickens have the reputation of being stupid, but they aren't. They certainly have evolved to better survive in their environment than we humans have! They also have developed remarkable and effective social patterns. When we would scatter chicken feed for George and his harem, he would call them over and protectively stand guard while they ate; he would eat only when they were finished. He also had preferences in humans: He apparently liked me, but would always attack my father without provocation. If dad had to pick him up for some reason or other (we once exhibited both him and Lucy at a fair, where they won a gold ribbon), he had to wear heavy leather gloves to avoid being speared by George's long and very sharp spurs, which we finally had to saw off.

We had other chickens, mostly bantams. Cochins — one was a jet black miniature of George that we named Shane after the star of the movie of the same name — and Chinese Silkies, the feathers of which are more like down than webbed feathers. I believe that I learned compassion, in part, from my experiences with these chickens. The Cochin rooster, Shane, was "flighty" in the extreme — no one could get close to him. Then one day we noticed a lump on the side of his head. That lump grew and grew until it was almost as large as his head. It didn't seem to bother him, but one day when my dad and I were sitting together on a bench, talking, when Shane walked up to us, jumped onto the bench, and settled down between us and allowed us to pet him. The next day he died; the bump on his head was likely a tumour. That was a poignant experience for me and my dad.

I often helped my dad deliver new chicks from their shells — now there was an interesting educational experience! — and not a lot different in very broad strokes than my first job in the navy, helping deliver the babies of dependents in a navy hospital in Japan, and then caring for them in the nursery.

Back to stamps: If the U.S. poultry industry stamp is "stupid," then so too must all of the other world's stamps that feature both wild and domestic chickens, and there are many very beautiful ones. Here's a Vietnam chicken stamp — I think that's George!

Image Not Found

Bob

P.S. Lest you think of me as a ex-hippie "chicken hugger," I too enjoy eating chicken (though not without some guilt!). I buy free-range chicken as well as eggs laid by free-range chickens, both delicious I should add. I tried some Safeway chicken a while back. It was edible, but tasteless. Same with Safeway eggs. My next post in this thread will be a recipe which my family has enjoyed many times over the last 55 years or so.

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Bring on that recipe Bob! I've been cooking all summer. I'll give it a go!
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Purushottam Gorkhaly’s Chicken & Rice Pilau*

This recipe was given to my mother, Hazel Ingraham, by Purushottam Gorkhaly, a Nepalese who had been sent to the U.S. in 1962 to study hydrology. He was one of four Nepalese in the U.S. at that time; Nepal was very much a "closed" country at that time. The recipe became an Ingraham-family favourite.

___

Preparation time: 2 1/2 hours

• Scrub one fryer (2-3 lbs.) or use
breasts, thighs and legs. Boil in
salted water for about 1 1/2 hours.

• Rub 1 cup rice of your choice with 2 tbsp/15ml margarine or butter with your hands. Cook rice in the chicken broth until tender, adding more water if necessary.

• Cut chicken in small pieces and fry lightly in butter or oil.

• Add spices:

- 3/4 t. cumin
- 1/4 t. pepper
- 1/2 t. garlic powder
- 1/4 tsp cinnamon


Note: cumin and cinnamon are key ingredients for the dish's unique flavour.

• Add rice and cook slowly (15-20 minutes for white rice, 45 minutes or so for brown rice) to mix flavours.

(Plain yogurt or sour cream sprinkled with chopped green onion or chives makes a nice condiment to go with this delicious meal. Fresh fruit salad is a nice complement too.)


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* Also spelled pilaf , pilaff , pilao , pilaw or pulao, depending on where you live.

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Eric, i have a grill and a wife also ! But now one of those turkey breasts they cook in the super market and sell for about 6 bucks is much of our weeks meat supply. I worked on chicken farms during my high school years. The White Leghorn is a good egg producer but a vicious beast...if they spot blood on another chicken they will pick it to pieces...not a nice thing to witness.

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I have always loved this stamp!
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It still makes me smile!Happy

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18 Jul 2015
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Did Foghorn just get a bad rap Angel
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My Grandpa and my father were in the restaurant business in the 1950's and they said that chicken breasts and legs were sold as parts but the wings were often thrown away. So my Dad would get them for free when he bought his chicken meat for the restaurant. Much like you might get some bones from the butcher for soup.

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Yup, they were throw aways until the late 1960s when Theressa Bellissimo, co-owner of The Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New York got the idea to fry them up and toss them in a spicy sauce.. there are several versions of "why" but the result is the same!

I recently noticed that large packs of chicken wings now cost more per pound than chicken legs! I love to make my own on the grill during the summer, so last batch I bought both wings and legs. The legs were as good as the wings, so I'll do that from now on.

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18 Jul 2015
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Tom, you're so right. Chicken wings used to be priced at little more than fish bait.

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18 Jul 2015
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You can say the same about other cuts of meat as well. Brisket and skirt steak (fajita meat) are junk pieces of meat. As popularity for brisket and fajitas rose, so has the price of those cuts of meat. Brisket used to be 19 cents a pound here in Texas. Now it's around $10 a pound. I haven't cooked a brisket in years.

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18 Jul 2015
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Thank goodness everyone is still squeamish about chicken hearts and giblets...Big Grin

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18 Jul 2015
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Giblets and gravy with dumplings.... a Northern Ontario / Ottawa Valley favourite. My grandmother used to make that for me. As for Foghorn Leghorn, my favourite cartoon character!

David

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18 Jul 2015
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@Bobstamp,
Hey, I was gonna try that recipe but the cinnamon and yogurt threw me for a loop. I thought you were gonna throw out an awesome fried chicken recipe!
-Ernie

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21 Jul 2015
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My mom told me several times they always threw out the chicken wings, as useless and they grew up during the depression, so that was very surprising for me to hear. Unless, of course, they had a lot of money hidden away that I never knew about. That's just too funny. I still am amazed how they can sell so many chicken wings, when there are only two to a bird. Makes one wonder if they haven't developed a Super multi-winged chicken someplace.

Foghorn Leghorn was also always one of my favorites.
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re: The chicken stamp...what were they thinking ?

Harland Sanders (the "Colonel") said that the wings were his favorite part of the chicken, as they are mine. I remember in college (only original recipe back then) I could get 6 wings for next to nothing - no one wanted them so they practically gave them away. The Colonel lived to age 90, so I guess there must be something to eating a lot of wings.

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I really like the herbs and spices on the original recipe but it just always seems so darn greasy. We don't get KFC often but when we do I prefer the extra crispy

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