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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

 

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08 Aug 2017
11:31:10am

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i have been swapping stamps with collectors by mail half my life..one or two of them requested town/post office type cancellations on the Belgian parcel post and railroad stamps. So recently i have started looking for them myself. Was wondering if anyone else looked for them as a topic or back of book collection.Image Not Found

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08 Aug 2017
02:32:33pm
re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

Sure, Phil, the circular cancels are, as far as I know, generally postal use in some way. The rectangular cancels showing destination and departure cities are either parcels or luggage tag cancels. I am not sure about there being exceptions.
Both have a place to collectors of that type of item.
I do remember reading some controversy about the possibility that some of these trimmed-corner rectangular cancels did serve some postal usage and that Scott began adding a note years ago that the value of the stamps with circular cancellations should be roughly double the parcel or luggage cancels.

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08 Aug 2017
02:42:54pm

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re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

Charlie, that may have been why people requested the circular cancels !

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08 Aug 2017
02:46:58pm
re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

Yes, I traded all my trimmed-rectangle cancels from Belgium with a member years ago for a box of Machins.
There are some with octangular cancels, but I cannot recall their purpose.

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08 Aug 2017
05:42:59pm
re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

cdj1122

I believe that Belgium octangular cancels were used on telegraph stamps..

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09 Aug 2017
03:48:55am
re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

As a collector of Belgian Railways, octagonal cancels are quite prized, particularly on the early issues by collectors.

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09 Aug 2017
04:14:09am

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re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

I thought that the earlier railway stamps always have hexagonal cancels.
After 1909, the rectangular cancels were introduced (with three "sections", first a narrow one with the station's name, than a broad one with the date and then another narrow one that was often empty) and even later there was a rectangular cancel with the bottom part slanting (a trapezium).

I would need to go through the collection in order to find octagonal cancels. I am sure I have a few.

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09 Aug 2017
04:44:29am

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A couple of years ago a stamp collector south of us was trying to sell a very large map of the Belgium Railway System with the Parcel Post stamp on every town, since you can pretty much read the name of the town on the rectangular cancel. I thought it was pretty neat. He thought it was pretty neat, and valuable. He was disappointed that no one wanted to buy it.

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09 Aug 2017
01:15:15pm
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" ... He thought it was pretty neat, and valuable. He was disappointed that no one wanted to buy it. ..."

It is a crying shame that despite the patience and detail involved, a set of three mid-valued stamps mounted on a blank or bordered page will bring just about as much as the same set mounted in the same way on a beautifully decorated and well written up page.
It is unlikely that the latter will match the way a new owner will want his albums arranged.
Some collectors might be intimidated by the detailed work, feeling that "next to the fine work of the former owner, my neatly mounted album pages look amateurish."
Albums are the work of the owner.

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09 Aug 2017
11:03:14pm
re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

I map my Belgian Railways but on a separate paper and mount the stamps themselves on homemade pages. I posted in another thread a few years ago my pages I created with an old stean engine on the bottom of the page design.

I'm a big collector of the older Belgian Railways mostly because I love to map the crossover of government and private travel id on the cancellations.

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08 Aug 2017
11:31:10am

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i have been swapping stamps with collectors by mail half my life..one or two of them requested town/post office type cancellations on the Belgian parcel post and railroad stamps. So recently i have started looking for them myself. Was wondering if anyone else looked for them as a topic or back of book collection.Image Not Found

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08 Aug 2017
02:32:33pm

re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

Sure, Phil, the circular cancels are, as far as I know, generally postal use in some way. The rectangular cancels showing destination and departure cities are either parcels or luggage tag cancels. I am not sure about there being exceptions.
Both have a place to collectors of that type of item.
I do remember reading some controversy about the possibility that some of these trimmed-corner rectangular cancels did serve some postal usage and that Scott began adding a note years ago that the value of the stamps with circular cancellations should be roughly double the parcel or luggage cancels.

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08 Aug 2017
02:42:54pm

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re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

Charlie, that may have been why people requested the circular cancels !

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08 Aug 2017
02:46:58pm

re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

Yes, I traded all my trimmed-rectangle cancels from Belgium with a member years ago for a box of Machins.
There are some with octangular cancels, but I cannot recall their purpose.

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08 Aug 2017
05:42:59pm

re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

cdj1122

I believe that Belgium octangular cancels were used on telegraph stamps..

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09 Aug 2017
03:48:55am

re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

As a collector of Belgian Railways, octagonal cancels are quite prized, particularly on the early issues by collectors.

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09 Aug 2017
04:14:09am

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re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

I thought that the earlier railway stamps always have hexagonal cancels.
After 1909, the rectangular cancels were introduced (with three "sections", first a narrow one with the station's name, than a broad one with the date and then another narrow one that was often empty) and even later there was a rectangular cancel with the bottom part slanting (a trapezium).

I would need to go through the collection in order to find octagonal cancels. I am sure I have a few.

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09 Aug 2017
04:44:29am

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re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

A couple of years ago a stamp collector south of us was trying to sell a very large map of the Belgium Railway System with the Parcel Post stamp on every town, since you can pretty much read the name of the town on the rectangular cancel. I thought it was pretty neat. He thought it was pretty neat, and valuable. He was disappointed that no one wanted to buy it.

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09 Aug 2017
01:15:15pm

re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

" ... He thought it was pretty neat, and valuable. He was disappointed that no one wanted to buy it. ..."

It is a crying shame that despite the patience and detail involved, a set of three mid-valued stamps mounted on a blank or bordered page will bring just about as much as the same set mounted in the same way on a beautifully decorated and well written up page.
It is unlikely that the latter will match the way a new owner will want his albums arranged.
Some collectors might be intimidated by the detailed work, feeling that "next to the fine work of the former owner, my neatly mounted album pages look amateurish."
Albums are the work of the owner.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "

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09 Aug 2017
11:03:14pm

re: Circular town postmarks on Belgian parcel post and railway stamps

I map my Belgian Railways but on a separate paper and mount the stamps themselves on homemade pages. I posted in another thread a few years ago my pages I created with an old stean engine on the bottom of the page design.

I'm a big collector of the older Belgian Railways mostly because I love to map the crossover of government and private travel id on the cancellations.

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