Clearly to the point, and devastating accurate.
Dan C.
Unfortunately the human race does not learn from its history but uses it for its own ends to suit their own individual interpretation.
I hope they do take all the statues down. But what are people going to do when they can no longer blame Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson for all their problems?
It says much more succinctly what I attempted to say in my original contribution. I did say I agreed statues offensive to people of colour should be removed, but not by baying mobs of people, and only after discussion and agreement in the community.
Britain, (and I include Scotland here) was a major contributor in, and beneficiary of, the trade in human beings now called the slave trade. All parts of Britain have relics reminding us of those days. While I cannot yet conceive of my country being denuded of statues, mature dialogue should begin about the future of offensive monoliths.
Ian, should Fort William, or Fort George be renamed? How about changing them to Manor Alex and Castle Sturgeon?
Change your history at your own peril. Learn from your history. Do not destroy it.
Should I seek reparation, from The Italians for what the Romans done, or what the Irish, or the Danes, or the Norwegians, or the Swedes, or the Normans, or the French, or the English, or the Dutch, or the Germans, or the Chinese, or the Japanese for what they done to my ancestors?
Just look at the mess of the Middle East because of the worlds guilty conscience and mans determination to have power over others.
"Ian, should Fort William, or Fort George be renamed? How about changing them to Manor Alex and Castle Sturgeon?"
"so desperate to come here???????"
Wee Alex walked away from court a free man. He will make a fortune from civil suits and book deals. To cut costs, I heard a rumour Linlithgow is to be renamed "Salmond Palace".
Ian, you mentioned how people are desperate to come here. Scotland makes a drink famed for making us forget worries and problems. Scots enjoyed life in the country of their birth so much, they are now found in every country on the planet. Many saw their choice as emigrate or look at life through the bottom of a whisky glass. Is life here so good, or is it so bad elsewhere?
America even voted in a Scot (well half Scot) as their current President. If they want to send him back we will tell them that train has now left the station.
I am off to bed now before my wife finishes that bottle of Glenmorangie. Night night Ian.
"Because the social security system is set up to pay them money and house them."
Gudgie; Now for the History Lesson. You really didn't go to the right school.
"Scots enjoyed life in the country of their birth so much, they are now found in every country on the planet. "
"
Wee Alex walked away from court a free man. He will make a fortune from civil suits and book deals."
" Scotland makes a drink famed for making us forget worries and problems."
I was fortunate to be educated in one of Scotland's finest schools. It was so good it was approved by the Secretary of State.
I stopped reading after that remark.
Can't get rid of these! Hundreds of millions out there.
Isn't it illegal to own Nazi memorabilia in Germany? Seems like I read that anything with the swastika is illegal. Is it beyond the realm of possibility to think that owning and displaying these stamps could one day be a crime?
Its ABSOLUTELY possible. After recently hearing that Mt. Rushmore, the Washington Monunent and every painting of white Jesus should come down I will believe anything.
Didn't Robert E Lee own the land at Arlington and the Union turned it into the National Cemetery during your Civil War?
Ian...yep.
Gudgie:-
"It was so good it was approved by the Secretary of State."
That is a very weird song!
"That is a very weird song!"
"Ian, i sentence you to be broiled inside a steer "
"Of course transpose the ph and pl of pheasant plucker and it gives added meaning."
rrraphy:- Unfortunately I must decline your kind and generous offer of playing at the moment as I do feel that the language produced may upset the more delicate ears of some members.
I would hate to fall foul of philb for a second time. His knowledge of ancient Greek execution methods may come to the fore once more. (Hopefully he hasn't had a Mongol ancestor as they had some very imaginative ways of execution).
rrraphy;- The transposition of letters or syllables in the English language is, drum
roll please..........Metathesis.
Thank you fans , don't applaud , just throw MONEY!!
I may be a wise (and safe) choice Ian...so I am surprised!
Is Spoonerism the correct English translation? I always thought of spoonerism as accidental, while " contrepèteries" are deliberate.
rrr..
Spoonerisms are accidental and are related to speech rather than the written word
eg "you have hissed the mystery lectures" instead of "you have missed the history lectures"
Nothing to do with Spoonerisms but mispronunciation:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ0nFQgRApY
Its 12.45am here unfortunately "Its time for bed" says Zebedee.
Sounds like you guys are having fun...Ian i believe my DNA came back mainly Italian/Greek but it changes from time to time ..i think there was a German interloper during WW1 with my Grandmother in the Dolomites.
".Metathesis. Thank you fans , don't applaud"
philb:-
Aye its no fun being caught in the Dolomites, especially when climbing a barbed wire fence.
There is a rumour in our family that there is some Moghul blood within. They had a terrible way of execution. Simply place the victim lying face up on a tree stump and get an elephant to press down on them with one leg!!
rraphy:-
So me olde English teacher was wrong!
I must now 'fess up. I only speak 4 languages and French is not one of them.
Now Limericks can be great fun. The link below is from a long running radio show called I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue. They had a section on Limericks in every second or third show. The show started in the early seventies and is still running today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrpwGSlMpI
I know the previous thread was closed by request of the original poster, and I don't have any problem if the club wants to close the topic permanently. But I found the discussion extremely interesting, and I restrained myself from injecting my 2 "pennies" until now.
We all bring our own biases, personal, regional, educational, religious etc.. in any discussion. and the moderators are not excluded.
It would be interesting for each one to try to put oneself in the shoes of the "other side". In that context I saw an interesting post which I will share. Please, if you want to comment about it, keep it on the narrow context of how does the "other side' feels about it.
rrr...
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Clearly to the point, and devastating accurate.
Dan C.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Unfortunately the human race does not learn from its history but uses it for its own ends to suit their own individual interpretation.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
I hope they do take all the statues down. But what are people going to do when they can no longer blame Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson for all their problems?
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
It says much more succinctly what I attempted to say in my original contribution. I did say I agreed statues offensive to people of colour should be removed, but not by baying mobs of people, and only after discussion and agreement in the community.
Britain, (and I include Scotland here) was a major contributor in, and beneficiary of, the trade in human beings now called the slave trade. All parts of Britain have relics reminding us of those days. While I cannot yet conceive of my country being denuded of statues, mature dialogue should begin about the future of offensive monoliths.
Ian, should Fort William, or Fort George be renamed? How about changing them to Manor Alex and Castle Sturgeon?
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Change your history at your own peril. Learn from your history. Do not destroy it.
Should I seek reparation, from The Italians for what the Romans done, or what the Irish, or the Danes, or the Norwegians, or the Swedes, or the Normans, or the French, or the English, or the Dutch, or the Germans, or the Chinese, or the Japanese for what they done to my ancestors?
Just look at the mess of the Middle East because of the worlds guilty conscience and mans determination to have power over others.
"Ian, should Fort William, or Fort George be renamed? How about changing them to Manor Alex and Castle Sturgeon?"
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
"so desperate to come here???????"
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Wee Alex walked away from court a free man. He will make a fortune from civil suits and book deals. To cut costs, I heard a rumour Linlithgow is to be renamed "Salmond Palace".
Ian, you mentioned how people are desperate to come here. Scotland makes a drink famed for making us forget worries and problems. Scots enjoyed life in the country of their birth so much, they are now found in every country on the planet. Many saw their choice as emigrate or look at life through the bottom of a whisky glass. Is life here so good, or is it so bad elsewhere?
America even voted in a Scot (well half Scot) as their current President. If they want to send him back we will tell them that train has now left the station.
I am off to bed now before my wife finishes that bottle of Glenmorangie. Night night Ian.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
"Because the social security system is set up to pay them money and house them."
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Gudgie; Now for the History Lesson. You really didn't go to the right school.
"Scots enjoyed life in the country of their birth so much, they are now found in every country on the planet. "
"
Wee Alex walked away from court a free man. He will make a fortune from civil suits and book deals."
" Scotland makes a drink famed for making us forget worries and problems."
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
I was fortunate to be educated in one of Scotland's finest schools. It was so good it was approved by the Secretary of State.
I stopped reading after that remark.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Can't get rid of these! Hundreds of millions out there.
Isn't it illegal to own Nazi memorabilia in Germany? Seems like I read that anything with the swastika is illegal. Is it beyond the realm of possibility to think that owning and displaying these stamps could one day be a crime?
Its ABSOLUTELY possible. After recently hearing that Mt. Rushmore, the Washington Monunent and every painting of white Jesus should come down I will believe anything.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Ian...yep.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Gudgie:-
"It was so good it was approved by the Secretary of State."
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
That is a very weird song!
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
"That is a very weird song!"
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
"Ian, i sentence you to be broiled inside a steer "
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
"Of course transpose the ph and pl of pheasant plucker and it gives added meaning."
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
rrraphy:- Unfortunately I must decline your kind and generous offer of playing at the moment as I do feel that the language produced may upset the more delicate ears of some members.
I would hate to fall foul of philb for a second time. His knowledge of ancient Greek execution methods may come to the fore once more. (Hopefully he hasn't had a Mongol ancestor as they had some very imaginative ways of execution).
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
rrraphy;- The transposition of letters or syllables in the English language is, drum
roll please..........Metathesis.
Thank you fans , don't applaud , just throw MONEY!!
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
I may be a wise (and safe) choice Ian...so I am surprised!
Is Spoonerism the correct English translation? I always thought of spoonerism as accidental, while " contrepèteries" are deliberate.
rrr..
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Spoonerisms are accidental and are related to speech rather than the written word
eg "you have hissed the mystery lectures" instead of "you have missed the history lectures"
Nothing to do with Spoonerisms but mispronunciation:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ0nFQgRApY
Its 12.45am here unfortunately "Its time for bed" says Zebedee.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
Sounds like you guys are having fun...Ian i believe my DNA came back mainly Italian/Greek but it changes from time to time ..i think there was a German interloper during WW1 with my Grandmother in the Dolomites.
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
".Metathesis. Thank you fans , don't applaud"
re: 2. they see what they want to see ! (continued, or not?)
philb:-
Aye its no fun being caught in the Dolomites, especially when climbing a barbed wire fence.
There is a rumour in our family that there is some Moghul blood within. They had a terrible way of execution. Simply place the victim lying face up on a tree stump and get an elephant to press down on them with one leg!!
rraphy:-
So me olde English teacher was wrong!
I must now 'fess up. I only speak 4 languages and French is not one of them.
Now Limericks can be great fun. The link below is from a long running radio show called I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue. They had a section on Limericks in every second or third show. The show started in the early seventies and is still running today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrpwGSlMpI