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12 Jul 2020
07:12:49pm
I acquired this historical postcard, and I can't decipher the occasion, nor location. Can you help? The clues are fascinating!

Here is the card:

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The back is completely blank (no publisher, no postcard imprint), so that's no help.

Now here are the (seemingly contradictory) clues:

Legend, lower right:
Clearly German, date July 22, 1928

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lots of US flags:

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But check out this sign (upper right corner):

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Guys that look like police, but are wearing swords (did police dress uniforms ever include swords?)

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How about the statue? Anybody recognize it?

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What about the arm-bands?

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If you feel like poring over the original 1200 dpi image, copy and paste this into your browser (I intentionally did not make this a link, because it is about 4.5MB in size).

https://www.buckacover.com/temp/parade-1200dpi.jpg


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12 Jul 2020
07:32:25pm
re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Could it have been the 1928 Olympics that were held in Amsterdam?

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12 Jul 2020
07:40:09pm
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Good idea, but these guys are too old to be athletes, they look more like veterans.

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12 Jul 2020
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Festzug seems to translate as Carnival. The only reference to Strandbader I can find at present is in Austria/Switzerland.

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12 Jul 2020
08:07:44pm
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I am leaning towards this being what Wikipedia describes as:

July 22, 1928
"150,000 marched in Vienna in favor of a union between Germany and Austria."

I noted on the sign a barely discernable "Alte Donau" which is clearly Vienna.

The only real mystery is the US flags -- German-Americans or Austrian-Americans there to show support?

I can't find any pictures online of this monument, in Vienna or otherwise.

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12 Jul 2020
08:50:44pm

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The clue may be in the statue..is that Germania ?

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12 Jul 2020
09:38:56pm
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The monument possibly was destroyed or removed to be melted down in WW2.
Certainly a mystery, be good to have a definitive answer.

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13 Jul 2020
12:16:31am
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My German-English dictionary defines Festzug as a festive procession.

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13 Jul 2020
02:47:34am
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Found it!

It is the Tegetthoff Monument on Praterstrasse in Vienna.

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13 Jul 2020
05:04:48am
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Nice find Roy!

The Admiral Tegetthoff monument is at the Praterstern road junction at the end of Praterstrasse.

I found this quote relating to the street in the German Wikipedia:

Am 22. Juli 1928 zog ein riesiger Festzug des 10. Deutschen Sängerbundfestes von Rathaus und Ring durch die Praterstraße in den Prater. Am Festzug sollen rund 150.000 Menschen beteiligt gewesen sein
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Google Translate gives:

"On July 22, 1928, a huge pageant of the 10th German Association of Singers moved from Rathaus and Ring through Praterstrasse to Prater. Around 150,000 people are said to have been involved in the pageant."

I guess a visit by German singers from the USA would fit in nicely with such an event.

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13 Jul 2020
11:00:30am
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Good job Roy, means I can sleep at last, only kidding.
Guess it would have helped to see the rest of the column.

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13 Jul 2020
07:24:14pm
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It also explains the musical clef shown in the diamond-shaped mark shown with the date.

The New York Times ran an article the following day with the headline:

GERMAN SINGERS PARADE IN VIENNA; March of 200,000 Members of Choral Societies Is Greatest Since the War. SOUTH TYROL IS MOURNED Franz Schubert and Andreas Hofer Are Honored in Floats and Banners of Societies.

I'm not NYT subscriber, so I can't get past their paywall.

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14 Jul 2020
09:58:08pm
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Here you go!

(Had to split the image into 2 jpgs.)


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15 Jul 2020
01:30:00pm
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Thank you!

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12 Jul 2020
07:12:49pm

I acquired this historical postcard, and I can't decipher the occasion, nor location. Can you help? The clues are fascinating!

Here is the card:

Image Not Found

The back is completely blank (no publisher, no postcard imprint), so that's no help.

Now here are the (seemingly contradictory) clues:

Legend, lower right:
Clearly German, date July 22, 1928

Image Not Found


lots of US flags:

Image Not Found

But check out this sign (upper right corner):

Image Not Found


Guys that look like police, but are wearing swords (did police dress uniforms ever include swords?)

Image Not Found


How about the statue? Anybody recognize it?

Image Not Found

What about the arm-bands?

Image Not Found
Image Not Found

If you feel like poring over the original 1200 dpi image, copy and paste this into your browser (I intentionally did not make this a link, because it is about 4.5MB in size).

https://www.buckacover.com/temp/parade-1200dpi.jpg


Roy

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12 Jul 2020
07:32:25pm

re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Could it have been the 1928 Olympics that were held in Amsterdam?

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12 Jul 2020
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re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Good idea, but these guys are too old to be athletes, they look more like veterans.

Roy

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12 Jul 2020
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re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Festzug seems to translate as Carnival. The only reference to Strandbader I can find at present is in Austria/Switzerland.

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re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

I am leaning towards this being what Wikipedia describes as:

July 22, 1928
"150,000 marched in Vienna in favor of a union between Germany and Austria."

I noted on the sign a barely discernable "Alte Donau" which is clearly Vienna.

The only real mystery is the US flags -- German-Americans or Austrian-Americans there to show support?

I can't find any pictures online of this monument, in Vienna or otherwise.

Roy


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12 Jul 2020
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The clue may be in the statue..is that Germania ?

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12 Jul 2020
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re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

The monument possibly was destroyed or removed to be melted down in WW2.
Certainly a mystery, be good to have a definitive answer.

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13 Jul 2020
12:16:31am

re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

My German-English dictionary defines Festzug as a festive procession.

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re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Found it!

It is the Tegetthoff Monument on Praterstrasse in Vienna.

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13 Jul 2020
05:04:48am

re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Nice find Roy!

The Admiral Tegetthoff monument is at the Praterstern road junction at the end of Praterstrasse.

I found this quote relating to the street in the German Wikipedia:

Am 22. Juli 1928 zog ein riesiger Festzug des 10. Deutschen Sängerbundfestes von Rathaus und Ring durch die Praterstraße in den Prater. Am Festzug sollen rund 150.000 Menschen beteiligt gewesen sein
.

Google Translate gives:

"On July 22, 1928, a huge pageant of the 10th German Association of Singers moved from Rathaus and Ring through Praterstrasse to Prater. Around 150,000 people are said to have been involved in the pageant."

I guess a visit by German singers from the USA would fit in nicely with such an event.

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13 Jul 2020
11:00:30am

re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Good job Roy, means I can sleep at last, only kidding.
Guess it would have helped to see the rest of the column.

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13 Jul 2020
07:24:14pm

re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

It also explains the musical clef shown in the diamond-shaped mark shown with the date.

The New York Times ran an article the following day with the headline:

GERMAN SINGERS PARADE IN VIENNA; March of 200,000 Members of Choral Societies Is Greatest Since the War. SOUTH TYROL IS MOURNED Franz Schubert and Andreas Hofer Are Honored in Floats and Banners of Societies.

I'm not NYT subscriber, so I can't get past their paywall.

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14 Jul 2020
09:58:08pm

re: Help solve a historical riddle - real photo postcard

Here you go!

(Had to split the image into 2 jpgs.)


Image Not Found


Image Not Found

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Thank you!

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