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United States/Covers & Postmarks : Do Folks Like Covers Like This? Or Am I Just Hopeless?!

 

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05 Feb 2021
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There are a few dealers I frequent on eBay, as they often have affordable covers I can use for my New Jersey postmark collection. I always look at all their listings for anything else interesting since I'm already paying a postage charge.

I came across this interesting piece, which I received in the mail today. Dale Graves of Indianapolis sent what must've been a Christmas card to a friend or relative in Northern Ireland in 1967. It must have been sad to receive it back, return to sender "Deceased".

The cover is a bit philatelic in nature with a variety of then current stamps, which may account for it's survival. Still it's unique and I had to have it for a dollar. It now will reside in my USA collection, on the page for the Gemini 4 "Accomplishments in Space" se-tenant pair. I find it more interesting than the cookie cutter Artcraft first day cover that it shares space with!

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06 Feb 2021
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I like the cover, Tom!

That stamp pair, commemorating Gemini IV, and Ed White's spacewalk (the first), was issued September 29, 1967, more than 2 years after the event, in June, 1965. I remember when that stamp came out - it was in my first year of stamp collecting, and it was my favorite for many years.

Plus, it's a bonafide "two-ocean" cover!

Here's the latest addition to my South Transatlantic airmail collection:
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Southbound covers are not as common as Northbound covers. This one has a receiver cancellation on it, indicating a 6-day transit time, from Hamburg. Not bad for the first year of Deutsche Lufthansa transatlantic airmail service, which the cachet commemorates!

The first transatlantic flight by DLH left Stuttgart on February 3, 1934. These flights were done in 4 legs, the last on the 10-ton Dornier Wal flying boat named Taifun, catapult-launched from the Westfalen after she had steamed 36 hours west of Bathurst, in west Africa.

This cover was flown on the 29th Southbound flight, departing Stuttgart on February 3, 1935, a year after the first Southbound flight, this time on Tornado, another 10-ton Dornier Wal flying boat. The flight was routine, taking just under 12 hours to cross the ocean.

I like it because it's a commercial cover, not philatelic. I believe the company name (in Portuguese) has something to do with analysis: "Anilizar" and translation: "Traduitor".
A "chimera" is "a thing that is hoped or wished for but in fact is illusory or impossible to achieve". Hmmm, sounds like a front for a spy agency!

-Paul

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06 Feb 2021
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Tom,

LOVE that cover. Yes, it's likely philatelic, but....

it's a double rate for a relatively short-lived rate (67-71); it's RTS; and it has a sad, sad reason, plus it's sent to a relatively small country, and you have a WWF label.

what could be better?

I seek exactly those types of covers out, and at that price, perfect

David

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07 Feb 2021
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Image Not FoundA friend of mine gave me that cover.

Dom Pedro Orleans e Braganza was a grand-son of the former Emperor of Brazil, Pedro II. They lived in exile in France at the Chateau d'Eu. I assume they have been more impressed by the Cinderellas than by the franking stamp!Image Not Found

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I collect all of the above, covers represent history to me in a way that stamps alone can not.

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07 Feb 2021
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"... what could be better? ..."



Oh, for goodness' sake, lad, the seal isn't tied !@#$%!

Cheers,

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Michael,

tis true, and a shame it is, but, still, a great card even if the NWF label is just there


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08 Feb 2021
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Nope your not the only one !! LOL !!!! Love these covers ! Just ordered this one from Delcampe. Can't wait to get it and break it down. Plenty of good detective work on this one !!

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10 Feb 2021
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Wow Jere! That’s one busy cover and absolutely unique!

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This one came in the mail yesterday! It was an eBay purchase of a single cover. The sender used a total of 7 stamps to make up the 55 cent rate. It's interesting that in their day, every one of these stamps would have carried a first class letter on their own. (Okay, the Progress in Electronics was a postcard rate stamp!) Tough for all of us as we think of this inflation!

And a bit sad that the stamps of the past 75 years aren't worth any more than face value after surviving all this time.

Do I find this an interesting cover? Yes and no. I won't be saving it in my collection, but I did toss it in my big cover box for someone in the future to ponder. Thoughts?

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11 Feb 2021
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Cool Tom!
That's what shoeboxes are for!
I think I have about 2 dozen shoeboxes full of old covers that I've received, stretching back close to 40 years. They sit in a stack, in the attic, waiting for the future.

Once in awhile, I'll go for a dive for a treasure that I have a vague memory of inserting...

Back in 1992, when I was at the PA Department of Agriculture building on a regular basis, I would rifle through the wastebasket in the mailroom after 4PM, after all the State employees had gone home. What I would find in there is envelopes that other States' departments of agriculture had used to mail copies of health certificates to PA, the destination state for the animal movement that was documented on the health certificate. All of them were official-looking with a nice pre-printed return address and all were opened with a knife. I think I got like, 44 different states over the course of a year...

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11 Feb 2021
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Agreed Paul- If we don't save shoe boxes full of contemporary covers, they will be lost to future generations!

As I continue my pursuit of my beloved Ben Franklins, I'm paying good money for covers sent flyer rate that have a private perforation or precancel stamp on them. This was the junk mail from 1903-09, and fortunately some of it was saved. But not enough for my purposes! Big Grin

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Here's a cover that just arrived from Canada today. I bought it from Buck A Cover, Roy and Debbie! And it's probably the first time it's been in the USA since 1940!

I absolutely love this one! First day covers can be so ordinary, but not here! Aside from having an interesting Anderson cachet, it also has two stamps for the rate to Canada. And check out the addressing! That's very cool, very professional draftsman lettering! And that makes the cover cool and unique in my opinion! And surely the one I want in my album!

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Beautiful cover Tom

That rate is the airmail rate to Canada at the time, which was also the domestic airmail rate. US and Canada airmail rates were identical until airmail rates were eliminated in 1977 (I guess they're the same then, too).

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Tom,

Thanks for the plug!

I like that one too, but I am surprised this lovely strike for your New Jersey collection didn't get a mention. (Hope you weren't keeping it secret -- if so -- so sorry!)

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BTW, there are some more from that collection still looking for adoption by a new home:

(screenshot US FDCs - 1940s)

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13 Feb 2021
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"I like that one too, but I am surprised this lovely strike for your New Jersey collection didn't get a mention. (Hope you weren't keeping it secret -- if so -- so sorry!)"



No secret, it just didn't fit into this thread, and it was received yesterday after I posted my latest New Jersey acquisitions in my Letter M thread!

Aside from being a nice clean cover with a clear cancel, it contains an 8 page love letter that's pretty interesting!

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There are a few dealers I frequent on eBay, as they often have affordable covers I can use for my New Jersey postmark collection. I always look at all their listings for anything else interesting since I'm already paying a postage charge.

I came across this interesting piece, which I received in the mail today. Dale Graves of Indianapolis sent what must've been a Christmas card to a friend or relative in Northern Ireland in 1967. It must have been sad to receive it back, return to sender "Deceased".

The cover is a bit philatelic in nature with a variety of then current stamps, which may account for it's survival. Still it's unique and I had to have it for a dollar. It now will reside in my USA collection, on the page for the Gemini 4 "Accomplishments in Space" se-tenant pair. I find it more interesting than the cookie cutter Artcraft first day cover that it shares space with!

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06 Feb 2021
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I like the cover, Tom!

That stamp pair, commemorating Gemini IV, and Ed White's spacewalk (the first), was issued September 29, 1967, more than 2 years after the event, in June, 1965. I remember when that stamp came out - it was in my first year of stamp collecting, and it was my favorite for many years.

Plus, it's a bonafide "two-ocean" cover!

Here's the latest addition to my South Transatlantic airmail collection:
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Southbound covers are not as common as Northbound covers. This one has a receiver cancellation on it, indicating a 6-day transit time, from Hamburg. Not bad for the first year of Deutsche Lufthansa transatlantic airmail service, which the cachet commemorates!

The first transatlantic flight by DLH left Stuttgart on February 3, 1934. These flights were done in 4 legs, the last on the 10-ton Dornier Wal flying boat named Taifun, catapult-launched from the Westfalen after she had steamed 36 hours west of Bathurst, in west Africa.

This cover was flown on the 29th Southbound flight, departing Stuttgart on February 3, 1935, a year after the first Southbound flight, this time on Tornado, another 10-ton Dornier Wal flying boat. The flight was routine, taking just under 12 hours to cross the ocean.

I like it because it's a commercial cover, not philatelic. I believe the company name (in Portuguese) has something to do with analysis: "Anilizar" and translation: "Traduitor".
A "chimera" is "a thing that is hoped or wished for but in fact is illusory or impossible to achieve". Hmmm, sounds like a front for a spy agency!

-Paul

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Tom,

LOVE that cover. Yes, it's likely philatelic, but....

it's a double rate for a relatively short-lived rate (67-71); it's RTS; and it has a sad, sad reason, plus it's sent to a relatively small country, and you have a WWF label.

what could be better?

I seek exactly those types of covers out, and at that price, perfect

David

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"... what could be better? ..."



Oh, for goodness' sake, lad, the seal isn't tied !@#$%!

Cheers,

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Michael,

tis true, and a shame it is, but, still, a great card even if the NWF label is just there


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Nope your not the only one !! LOL !!!! Love these covers ! Just ordered this one from Delcampe. Can't wait to get it and break it down. Plenty of good detective work on this one !!

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This one came in the mail yesterday! It was an eBay purchase of a single cover. The sender used a total of 7 stamps to make up the 55 cent rate. It's interesting that in their day, every one of these stamps would have carried a first class letter on their own. (Okay, the Progress in Electronics was a postcard rate stamp!) Tough for all of us as we think of this inflation!

And a bit sad that the stamps of the past 75 years aren't worth any more than face value after surviving all this time.

Do I find this an interesting cover? Yes and no. I won't be saving it in my collection, but I did toss it in my big cover box for someone in the future to ponder. Thoughts?

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11 Feb 2021
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Cool Tom!
That's what shoeboxes are for!
I think I have about 2 dozen shoeboxes full of old covers that I've received, stretching back close to 40 years. They sit in a stack, in the attic, waiting for the future.

Once in awhile, I'll go for a dive for a treasure that I have a vague memory of inserting...

Back in 1992, when I was at the PA Department of Agriculture building on a regular basis, I would rifle through the wastebasket in the mailroom after 4PM, after all the State employees had gone home. What I would find in there is envelopes that other States' departments of agriculture had used to mail copies of health certificates to PA, the destination state for the animal movement that was documented on the health certificate. All of them were official-looking with a nice pre-printed return address and all were opened with a knife. I think I got like, 44 different states over the course of a year...

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Agreed Paul- If we don't save shoe boxes full of contemporary covers, they will be lost to future generations!

As I continue my pursuit of my beloved Ben Franklins, I'm paying good money for covers sent flyer rate that have a private perforation or precancel stamp on them. This was the junk mail from 1903-09, and fortunately some of it was saved. But not enough for my purposes! Big Grin

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Here's a cover that just arrived from Canada today. I bought it from Buck A Cover, Roy and Debbie! And it's probably the first time it's been in the USA since 1940!

I absolutely love this one! First day covers can be so ordinary, but not here! Aside from having an interesting Anderson cachet, it also has two stamps for the rate to Canada. And check out the addressing! That's very cool, very professional draftsman lettering! And that makes the cover cool and unique in my opinion! And surely the one I want in my album!

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Beautiful cover Tom

That rate is the airmail rate to Canada at the time, which was also the domestic airmail rate. US and Canada airmail rates were identical until airmail rates were eliminated in 1977 (I guess they're the same then, too).

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re: Do Folks Like Covers Like This? Or Am I Just Hopeless?!

Tom,

Thanks for the plug!

I like that one too, but I am surprised this lovely strike for your New Jersey collection didn't get a mention. (Hope you weren't keeping it secret -- if so -- so sorry!)

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BTW, there are some more from that collection still looking for adoption by a new home:

(screenshot US FDCs - 1940s)

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"I like that one too, but I am surprised this lovely strike for your New Jersey collection didn't get a mention. (Hope you weren't keeping it secret -- if so -- so sorry!)"



No secret, it just didn't fit into this thread, and it was received yesterday after I posted my latest New Jersey acquisitions in my Letter M thread!

Aside from being a nice clean cover with a clear cancel, it contains an 8 page love letter that's pretty interesting!

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