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Does anyone know where in the US to buy Stanley Gibbons hinges? I've heard from many people they are the best available. I found the SG website, but the shipping from there would be too high.
Also do any members have full packs of 1,000 Dennison hinges they would be willing to sell?
I don't buy expensive stamps, and so I only use hinges for mounting stamps.
Thank You in advance
Ken Tall Pines
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Here is a site which will only charge £ 1.50 to the U.S.A.http://www.ebay.ie/itm/SAVE-1-FREE-DELIVERY-ON-STANLEY-GIBBONS-HINGES-1-PKT-OF-1000-NEW-/160934457311?pt=UK_Stamps_Philatley&hash=item257870efdf
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I've seen Dennison hinges sell for some crazy high prices! You might not get many offers for those. I bought a collection once and found a bag of those in the back of the book. Hubby thought I'd hit the lottery the way I whooped and said "yay"!!!
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Just checked ebay - they are selling for $15 to $20 per bag and there are currently 6 available.
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Hi philatelia and everyone;
Thanks for the info. I never thought to check eBay Ireland. I also found a site that offers these same hinges in a box of 12,000 for $35.00. But I would never buy that quantity without trying them out first.
My plan is to purchase 1,000 each of every brand there is and evaluate them on cheap stamps, and damaged mint stamps, using extra unneeded pages from Internationals (Big Blue) and my Green Scott Specialty Pages. If the SG hinges turn out to indeed be the best I'll need the 12,000, as I have half the world in Green Scott Specialty, and seven volumes of Big Blue. They fill 3 foot high x 3 foot wide bookcase!!
When I complete my evaluation I'll post the results on the discussion board for anyone who might be interested.
Happy collecting everyone, and thank you all for your input.
Ken Tall Pines
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I salute everyone who use and promote the use of hinges.
I tried them for a little while on useless (aka damaged) stamps for a while, just for amusement. While it was amusing, I quickly figured I neither had the patience (applying one hinge on each stamp exactly in the spot is precision work) nor did I find the result rewarding.
All the best.
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" ...I neither had the patience (applying one hinge on each stamp exactly in the spot is precision work) nor did I find the result rewarding. ..."
I've been using hinges for fifty years and agree that it takes some patience, especially as I have lost much of the feeling and flexibility in my lunch hooks. But I'd probably swear even more were I to struggle with things like Showguard mounts.
So, I'll continue with hinges as I think they look better, allow easy access to the obverse of the stamp if required, are moderately priced and easy to move when necessary.
They also lay flat and do not cause "Album Bulging."
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Hi everyone;
First, thank you to everyone for your input, and help.
Yes Philb, they still are around. Potomac has them for under $2.50, S&H extra. I just received the Stanley Gibbons hinges, but have not had a chance to evaluate then just yet. I'll be posting the results when I'm done with that.
The eBay store where I purchased them, used large British commemoratives, 10 of them, including a block of six different!! Unfortunately none got canceled.
Keep on hinging
Ken Tall Pines
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Thanks, Phil!
Let us know how "peelable" they are.
David
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A few years ago - well more than a few to be honest - I bought a bag of every brand of hinge I could find and tested them. NONE of them were peelable except the Dennisons. I wish I'd kept that test sheet! I labeled the hinges and noted how much time elapsed before I tried to peel them. I waited at least a day for the first attempt to peel them. I can't remember if the Supersafe were one of the brands I tested, but I don't think so. Thanks for the tip!
In the meantime, I've switched entirely over to Hagnar and Vario sheets so I don't hinge or mount any longer, except for certain rare uses.
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"re: Hinges
Hi philatelia and everyone;
My plan is to purchase 1,000 each of every brand there is and evaluate them on cheap stamps, and damaged mint stamps, using extra unneeded pages from Internationals (Big Blue) and my Green Scott Specialty Pages. If the SG hinges turn out to indeed be the best I'll need the 12,000, as I have half the world in Green Scott Specialty, and seven volumes of Big Blue. They fill 3 foot high x 3 foot wide bookcase!!
When I complete my evaluation I'll post the results on the discussion board for anyone who might be interested.
Happy collecting everyone, and thank you all for your input.
Ken Tall Pines"
Good plan Ken. Make sure you use in your comparative analysis the 3M 811 removable tape (photo safe, archival tape in accordance with ISO standard 18916), which I swear by. No more hinges for me!
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Hi everyone;
Have we not learned anything from the fifties, about scotch tape and crystal mount?
rrraphy; Thank you for warning me that you use that stuff. I have made a sign to set atop my computer monitor to avoid your approvals!
The only thing that 3M ever developed that was useful was their new diet plan.... Magic Transparent Tape Worm. 
Still pending FDA disapproval!!
I would never use tape anywhere near my stamps, glassines (mortal sin), or anything else stamp related. I don't care what claims you may make about that stuff!
End of Discussion!
Keep on stampin
Ken Tall Pines
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No problem with me Ken. I follow technology. You probably still use paper hinges used with rabbit glue
Being overly conservative, I don't use 3M 811 on any expensive stamps, but I also don't walk under ladders, or cross streets if I see a black cat.
rrr...
Has anyone ever pondered about the health issue of these little saliva soaked hinges.
Have a (open envelope) bunch of Supersafe Peelable Hinges...probably somewhere between 500-1000...free for the asking. message me.
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03:38:58pm
Ken
Ralph and I have had this discussion before, and I do not use the tape as a rule because I do not know the long term effects. However, Ralph may be 100% correct in his assessment of the long term effects of the tape. I just do not see the need to change to something new when the old (hinges) works quite well for me. I have tested the tape on some cheaper stamps, and encountered no problems. Just as you can ruin a stamp by ripping a hinge off, you can damage a stamp by incorrectly removing the tape - but that is not the fault of the tape, that is negligence on the part of the collector.
I think if you are testing all hinges, you owe it to the "scientific method" to test the tape along side the hinges, then give us your assessment of its usefulness.
Awhile back, I began to use the 3M 811 tape on my packaging because I experienced a lot of damage to glassines and stamps using conventional tape. I have not had a single damaged stamp or glassine since. I also use 3M "Post-It" tape for labeling purposes (it uses the same adhesive as "post-it" notes) and found it to be a great tool.
All collectors should use that which they are comfortable with and which has proved itself, but at the same time, we should not condemn others who march to a different drummer unless we are willing to put their system to the proof.
Bobby
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I think your testing of the various hinges will be very interesting. There have been articles in the past on this, but not covering as many brands as you plan.
I think the 811 is worth a very very serious consideration. It would be a mistake to make a decision based on Scotch tape (an entirely different adhesive).
I've tested the 811 for about 5 years with no problems whatsoever. So far, I've found it much better than the prized Dennisons. Photographers have been using a similar adhesive for much longer than that with no problems whatsoever.
Keep in mind that 3M has tens of thousands of different adhesives, most of them specialty adhesives sold for industrial and research applications. Their adhesives product division is one of the better run operations of any I've every had to deal with (of course, this is from 20 years ago -- I don't know about now). You tell them your requirements (temperature, pressure, material, inert/archival, curing time...), they'll tell you if they have the adhesive to fit the requirements. More often than not, they do. But they aren't cheap.
The 811 is a relatively recent consumer product based on one of their specialty adhesives that's been around and been in use for a while. It's not the exact same specialty adhesive used on Post-It notes, but it actually lasts longer and is archival. The adhesive on Post-It notes often does not last beyond a few years, and is visibly non-archival under less than optimal storage conditions. The 811, on the other hand, is a much superior product/adhesive, and IS archival. The only drawback I've had so far is that I have to physically make the hinges (I mount/bend on cardstock and cut hinges from the strips). I use the cardstock as a hinge holder/bender because finger oil will stick to the 811 -- a problem that you normally aren't overly concerned about with wetted hinges.
I think it's a huge mistake to reject a product whose specifications meets our needs, based on a comparison to a product (scotch tape) that knowingly does not meet our needs.
I also think it is a mistake to reject Ralph's stamps because he might have used 811.
The 811 is far more archival than any hinge in existence, and more archival than many mounts and stockpages.
The question is not "will the archival 811 damage my stamp". The question is whether the non-archival stamp will damage my 811. 
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kim. I have a roll of 811 1/2 inch tape in my scotch tape dispenser. I pull 1/4 inch or less I like small hinges. I fold (1/3 2/3) and apply. It is even easier than hinges.
They also make it 1/4 wide, and here you would cut the length you want to use.. your hinge will be exactly 1/4 inch wide.
Have been using them 6-7 years now. I periodically go back to my earlier books to check if there is anything I should worry about (old scotch tape paranoia). No report.
I also did talk to 3M engineers...was reassured although they obviously had not thought of this use...so not tested for stamps.
I always intended them for temporary use...but temporary is a sticky concept. I like my stamps in mounts. But, think about it, how sure are we of our mounts? I also find acid paper, long term, even worse than one can imagine. Most of the older collections may have paper related problems, even with the perfect hinge.
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"I also think it is a mistake to reject Ralph's stamps because he might have used 811."
no if or might!
For the sake of total disclosure I DO USE 3M 811 to mount my stamps on archival Books.
The more expensive stamps are on cards, or in mounts, which I will ship with the stamp. All are attached to my pages (I use the SOR templates and a dark colored acid free paper), with 3 M 811 tape as well. I only use scotch tape to seal the outside of shipping envelopes. My scotch tape is guaranteed to always be 30 inches away, or more, from any of my stamps. (no fumes..lol)
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I tend to have oily skin. I tried using the dispenser but I can visibly see my finger oil sometimes. So I resort to mass producing the hinges on cardstock strips. I think it took me about 1/2 hour to make 1000, so it's not too bad. And that includes thinking time. I have them stacked in 5s still partially attached to the cardstock holder, and just peel them off as I use them, using the cardstock holder to fold the hinge. It's actually faster than using a wetted hinge.
I haven't fully tested, but I can reuse the same 811 hinge beyond 5 times without losing any adhesive strength. The Dennisons, I can typically only reuse again 2-3 times most. Yeah, I reuse Dennisons. They're too expensive, and I'm down to my last 4-5 packs.
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Hi everyone;
Take a 3m 811 mounted collection to any well known stamp dealer, and see how quick he snaps that up at a nice price! 
NO THANKS, I'M NOT TESTING ANY KIND OF TAPE, YOU CAN HAVE IT.
Keep on stampin
Ken Tall Pines
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"Have we not learned anything from the fifties, about scotch tape and crystal mount?"
You can make the same argument about learning from hinges of the early 20th century. It's not the same hinge, it's not the same mount, it's not the same tape... Otherwise, we wouldn't even bother testing hinges.
But it is your choice on what you want to include in your research. And I'm certainly interested in your results.
I can save you some trouble. Dennison hinges are the most peelable. It's no contest. You are simply repeating what has been tested many times over the years. Well-established. There's a reason why the remaining stockpiles are sold at a premium.
The only question is, which brand hinge is the 2nd most peelable.
Best wishes on the results...
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on a scientic matter..irrespective of all things discussed, if you have a bias prior to your test, then scientifically it is worthless. Double blind testing please!
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Also, I don't know a single dealer who does not have an argument for why she should not pay less for what you are selling.
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"The only question is, which brand hinge is the 2nd most peelable."
I would put Prinz and Supersafe (from Vidiforms)as about the same as being #2 on the list.
Back in the day when Dennison hinges became extinct, I switched over to Harco hinges. Those were a third cousin to Dennison, but they were better than most of the other hinges available then. Now my primary collection is 100% in mounts (Showgard - from Vidiforms, Prinz - aka ScottMounts). My side-collections are in stock books, so no need for hinges or mounts. I use hinges to mount lower-valued used stamps, or previously hinged lower-valued unused stamps, in APS sales books. I do have a pack or two (don't remember) of Dennisons sitting around here too.
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Hi everyone:
@ khj; I read a thread you replied to on a different forum. The subject was identifying whether a stamp was a France #86 or 87 (the one with Prussian blue tinted paper)? When I get a chance I'll scan one I have that is rather dark blue and post it. I doubt it is the $4,350 one. But the color is quite different from the rest so I'll mount it next to the space for the #86. I won't need that space, because I doubt I'll ever get the good one. I have the Scott Green Specialty for France.
@ everyone:
I now have 1,000 Stanley Gibbons hinges. I've been told by many people they are the best around, not just on here either.
I have in front of me the prices plus shipping ($40.67) of 8 different brands 1,000 each. That price is too high because they can't be had from just one supplier, but three different. So the shipping will be higher than if all were from one supplier. If just half of them are acceptable, I would end up paying 40 bucks for 4,000. Not a good deal. I would probably only get 2,000 good hinges.
I will evaluate the ones I have and report my findings. If I have a chance to order supplies from someone who sells different hinges I'll try a single packet and report those findings. I have a source of Stanley Gibbons hinges of 12,000 for $35 including shipping. That's a lot better than 40 bucks for maybe 2,000!!
With 165,000 stamps to sort I'll need a lot of hinges. I just finished sorting 4,500 French, and will be starting a couple thousand French colonies next. They should make a nice fat approval book. One without tape or hinges. I soak hinges off when I can, or when they appear to be non-Dennison hinges.
@ Bobby:
I'll keep an eye for Supersafe & Prinz, and get some for a comparison when I can.
@ rrraphy: You need to re-read my original posted question, and second post. If you want to be scientific first learn to read. I'm evaluating hinges. Not adhesives, mounts, nor tapes, just hinges DAA! That is NOT unscientific, so there! To evaluate hinges one against the other does not show bias at all! 
Keep on stampin
Ken Tall Pines
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I have never used SG hinges. I'm interested in your coming report on those.
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@ken off hinges, but in response... Y&T list 4 color variations of their #83 but only one (black on Prussian blue) of their #84 (scott 87)
I face the same dilemma... do I have a scott 87, or just one of the other colors
Attached is a photo, overlaid on the Y & T page. (sorry, not the best photo..was rushing it)
Anyone wants to guess? I am very much in doubt, but then I do have several color variations
rrr...
Have a (open envelope) bunch of Supersafe Peelable Hinges...probably somewhere between 500-1000...free for the asking. anyone, message me.
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I've also never used nor encountered SG hinges. So I'd also be interested in how it goes.
I concur with Michael######'s statement regarding Prinz and Supersafe. Although I have noticed that the Prinz hinges seem to have varying results from different packets. Not sure if they changed some manufacturing specs/methods over the years. Either way, they are still a noticeable notch below the Dennisons. But then again, maybe we are using different criteria to decide what is more peelable.
Too bad they don't make the Harcos anymore. The hinges that would have beat out the Prinz/Supersafe are no longer made. Make a better product, stop making it -- go figure.
Don't even try the Dennis' hinges. They're a bust. I was able to get an early batch, and they were surprisingly good. Must have been a fluke because all the subsequent batches were a bust.
Regarding the France Prussian blue, when you post in another thread, please PM me in case I miss it. Also, it should be worth your while to PM Ralph as well -- he has far more extensive knowledge of classic France than I do.
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Well, Ralph posted while I was typing. He's one of the go to guys on France.
"Have a (open envelope) bunch of Supersafe Peelable Hinges...probably somewhere between 500-1000...free for the asking. anyone, message me."
Well if Ken doesn't want them...
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06:37:59pm
OFC it also matters the amount of saliva applied to the hinge.
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sorry all..my hinges have been spoken for.
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"OFC it also matters the amount of saliva applied to the hinge."
I like to say, there's a little bit of me (DNA) on the back of my stamps...
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Can one of you tell me where you found this tape? Was it in a store or online? I went to Walmart, Target, and Staples, but no luck yet. I'll hit Office Depot and Office Max (although they're merging) sometime over the next few days on my regular "rounds", unless you think it is only available for purchase online.
Thanks in advance!
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07:53:01pm
The best (and by far most convenient) source for 3M 811 tape is Amazon. It comes in the dispenser style rolls, so if you do not have one, get an inexpensive dispenser also.
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Well in my grandfather's collection, I found the following hinges that are free to a good home. I don't think that I'm coordinated enough to use them. But I would be curious how old they are. Message me.
Stan
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So are the Dennison hinges that are pictured the "real deal" that everyone talks about? I have never seen an actual package. Don't those sell for a pretty penny or two?
Sally
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The only difference between the one pictured and the ones on ebay selling for $20/pkg is that the red and white pkg is pre-folded and these aren't. The adhesive (the important part) is the same. (OMG! I'm old enough to remember non-folded hinges!
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Me too. I think H E Harris sold unfolded hinges too under the "Honor Built" line. They didn't come off the stamp from what I can remember.
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This thread has been split, moving 1 posts onto a new Thread titled:"Denison Hinges"
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Hi Everyone;
Does anyone know where in the US to buy Stanley Gibbons hinges? I've heard from many people they are the best available. I found the SG website, but the shipping from there would be too high.
Also do any members have full packs of 1,000 Dennison hinges they would be willing to sell?
I don't buy expensive stamps, and so I only use hinges for mounting stamps.
Thank You in advance
Ken Tall Pines
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Here is a site which will only charge £ 1.50 to the U.S.A.http://www.ebay.ie/itm/SAVE-1-FREE-DELIVERY-ON-STANLEY-GIBBONS-HINGES-1-PKT-OF-1000-NEW-/160934457311?pt=UK_Stamps_Philatley&hash=item257870efdf
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I've seen Dennison hinges sell for some crazy high prices! You might not get many offers for those. I bought a collection once and found a bag of those in the back of the book. Hubby thought I'd hit the lottery the way I whooped and said "yay"!!!
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Just checked ebay - they are selling for $15 to $20 per bag and there are currently 6 available.
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Hi philatelia and everyone;
Thanks for the info. I never thought to check eBay Ireland. I also found a site that offers these same hinges in a box of 12,000 for $35.00. But I would never buy that quantity without trying them out first.
My plan is to purchase 1,000 each of every brand there is and evaluate them on cheap stamps, and damaged mint stamps, using extra unneeded pages from Internationals (Big Blue) and my Green Scott Specialty Pages. If the SG hinges turn out to indeed be the best I'll need the 12,000, as I have half the world in Green Scott Specialty, and seven volumes of Big Blue. They fill 3 foot high x 3 foot wide bookcase!!
When I complete my evaluation I'll post the results on the discussion board for anyone who might be interested.
Happy collecting everyone, and thank you all for your input.
Ken Tall Pines
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I salute everyone who use and promote the use of hinges.
I tried them for a little while on useless (aka damaged) stamps for a while, just for amusement. While it was amusing, I quickly figured I neither had the patience (applying one hinge on each stamp exactly in the spot is precision work) nor did I find the result rewarding.
All the best.
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" ...I neither had the patience (applying one hinge on each stamp exactly in the spot is precision work) nor did I find the result rewarding. ..."
I've been using hinges for fifty years and agree that it takes some patience, especially as I have lost much of the feeling and flexibility in my lunch hooks. But I'd probably swear even more were I to struggle with things like Showguard mounts.
So, I'll continue with hinges as I think they look better, allow easy access to the obverse of the stamp if required, are moderately priced and easy to move when necessary.
They also lay flat and do not cause "Album Bulging."
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Hi everyone;
First, thank you to everyone for your input, and help.
Yes Philb, they still are around. Potomac has them for under $2.50, S&H extra. I just received the Stanley Gibbons hinges, but have not had a chance to evaluate then just yet. I'll be posting the results when I'm done with that.
The eBay store where I purchased them, used large British commemoratives, 10 of them, including a block of six different!! Unfortunately none got canceled.
Keep on hinging
Ken Tall Pines
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Thanks, Phil!
Let us know how "peelable" they are.
David
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A few years ago - well more than a few to be honest - I bought a bag of every brand of hinge I could find and tested them. NONE of them were peelable except the Dennisons. I wish I'd kept that test sheet! I labeled the hinges and noted how much time elapsed before I tried to peel them. I waited at least a day for the first attempt to peel them. I can't remember if the Supersafe were one of the brands I tested, but I don't think so. Thanks for the tip!
In the meantime, I've switched entirely over to Hagnar and Vario sheets so I don't hinge or mount any longer, except for certain rare uses.
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"re: Hinges
Hi philatelia and everyone;
My plan is to purchase 1,000 each of every brand there is and evaluate them on cheap stamps, and damaged mint stamps, using extra unneeded pages from Internationals (Big Blue) and my Green Scott Specialty Pages. If the SG hinges turn out to indeed be the best I'll need the 12,000, as I have half the world in Green Scott Specialty, and seven volumes of Big Blue. They fill 3 foot high x 3 foot wide bookcase!!
When I complete my evaluation I'll post the results on the discussion board for anyone who might be interested.
Happy collecting everyone, and thank you all for your input.
Ken Tall Pines"
Good plan Ken. Make sure you use in your comparative analysis the 3M 811 removable tape (photo safe, archival tape in accordance with ISO standard 18916), which I swear by. No more hinges for me!
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Hi everyone;
Have we not learned anything from the fifties, about scotch tape and crystal mount?
rrraphy; Thank you for warning me that you use that stuff. I have made a sign to set atop my computer monitor to avoid your approvals!
The only thing that 3M ever developed that was useful was their new diet plan.... Magic Transparent Tape Worm. Still pending FDA disapproval!!
I would never use tape anywhere near my stamps, glassines (mortal sin), or anything else stamp related. I don't care what claims you may make about that stuff!
End of Discussion!
Keep on stampin
Ken Tall Pines
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No problem with me Ken. I follow technology. You probably still use paper hinges used with rabbit glue
Being overly conservative, I don't use 3M 811 on any expensive stamps, but I also don't walk under ladders, or cross streets if I see a black cat.
rrr...
Has anyone ever pondered about the health issue of these little saliva soaked hinges.
Have a (open envelope) bunch of Supersafe Peelable Hinges...probably somewhere between 500-1000...free for the asking. message me.
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01 Sep 2014
03:38:58pm
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Ken
Ralph and I have had this discussion before, and I do not use the tape as a rule because I do not know the long term effects. However, Ralph may be 100% correct in his assessment of the long term effects of the tape. I just do not see the need to change to something new when the old (hinges) works quite well for me. I have tested the tape on some cheaper stamps, and encountered no problems. Just as you can ruin a stamp by ripping a hinge off, you can damage a stamp by incorrectly removing the tape - but that is not the fault of the tape, that is negligence on the part of the collector.
I think if you are testing all hinges, you owe it to the "scientific method" to test the tape along side the hinges, then give us your assessment of its usefulness.
Awhile back, I began to use the 3M 811 tape on my packaging because I experienced a lot of damage to glassines and stamps using conventional tape. I have not had a single damaged stamp or glassine since. I also use 3M "Post-It" tape for labeling purposes (it uses the same adhesive as "post-it" notes) and found it to be a great tool.
All collectors should use that which they are comfortable with and which has proved itself, but at the same time, we should not condemn others who march to a different drummer unless we are willing to put their system to the proof.
Bobby
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I think your testing of the various hinges will be very interesting. There have been articles in the past on this, but not covering as many brands as you plan.
I think the 811 is worth a very very serious consideration. It would be a mistake to make a decision based on Scotch tape (an entirely different adhesive).
I've tested the 811 for about 5 years with no problems whatsoever. So far, I've found it much better than the prized Dennisons. Photographers have been using a similar adhesive for much longer than that with no problems whatsoever.
Keep in mind that 3M has tens of thousands of different adhesives, most of them specialty adhesives sold for industrial and research applications. Their adhesives product division is one of the better run operations of any I've every had to deal with (of course, this is from 20 years ago -- I don't know about now). You tell them your requirements (temperature, pressure, material, inert/archival, curing time...), they'll tell you if they have the adhesive to fit the requirements. More often than not, they do. But they aren't cheap.
The 811 is a relatively recent consumer product based on one of their specialty adhesives that's been around and been in use for a while. It's not the exact same specialty adhesive used on Post-It notes, but it actually lasts longer and is archival. The adhesive on Post-It notes often does not last beyond a few years, and is visibly non-archival under less than optimal storage conditions. The 811, on the other hand, is a much superior product/adhesive, and IS archival. The only drawback I've had so far is that I have to physically make the hinges (I mount/bend on cardstock and cut hinges from the strips). I use the cardstock as a hinge holder/bender because finger oil will stick to the 811 -- a problem that you normally aren't overly concerned about with wetted hinges.
I think it's a huge mistake to reject a product whose specifications meets our needs, based on a comparison to a product (scotch tape) that knowingly does not meet our needs.
I also think it is a mistake to reject Ralph's stamps because he might have used 811.
The 811 is far more archival than any hinge in existence, and more archival than many mounts and stockpages.
The question is not "will the archival 811 damage my stamp". The question is whether the non-archival stamp will damage my 811.
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01 Sep 2014
03:50:15pm
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kim. I have a roll of 811 1/2 inch tape in my scotch tape dispenser. I pull 1/4 inch or less I like small hinges. I fold (1/3 2/3) and apply. It is even easier than hinges.
They also make it 1/4 wide, and here you would cut the length you want to use.. your hinge will be exactly 1/4 inch wide.
Have been using them 6-7 years now. I periodically go back to my earlier books to check if there is anything I should worry about (old scotch tape paranoia). No report.
I also did talk to 3M engineers...was reassured although they obviously had not thought of this use...so not tested for stamps.
I always intended them for temporary use...but temporary is a sticky concept. I like my stamps in mounts. But, think about it, how sure are we of our mounts? I also find acid paper, long term, even worse than one can imagine. Most of the older collections may have paper related problems, even with the perfect hinge.
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01 Sep 2014
03:58:15pm
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"I also think it is a mistake to reject Ralph's stamps because he might have used 811."
no if or might!
For the sake of total disclosure I DO USE 3M 811 to mount my stamps on archival Books.
The more expensive stamps are on cards, or in mounts, which I will ship with the stamp. All are attached to my pages (I use the SOR templates and a dark colored acid free paper), with 3 M 811 tape as well. I only use scotch tape to seal the outside of shipping envelopes. My scotch tape is guaranteed to always be 30 inches away, or more, from any of my stamps. (no fumes..lol)
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I tend to have oily skin. I tried using the dispenser but I can visibly see my finger oil sometimes. So I resort to mass producing the hinges on cardstock strips. I think it took me about 1/2 hour to make 1000, so it's not too bad. And that includes thinking time. I have them stacked in 5s still partially attached to the cardstock holder, and just peel them off as I use them, using the cardstock holder to fold the hinge. It's actually faster than using a wetted hinge.
I haven't fully tested, but I can reuse the same 811 hinge beyond 5 times without losing any adhesive strength. The Dennisons, I can typically only reuse again 2-3 times most. Yeah, I reuse Dennisons. They're too expensive, and I'm down to my last 4-5 packs.
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Hi everyone;
Take a 3m 811 mounted collection to any well known stamp dealer, and see how quick he snaps that up at a nice price! NO THANKS, I'M NOT TESTING ANY KIND OF TAPE, YOU CAN HAVE IT.
Keep on stampin
Ken Tall Pines
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"Have we not learned anything from the fifties, about scotch tape and crystal mount?"
You can make the same argument about learning from hinges of the early 20th century. It's not the same hinge, it's not the same mount, it's not the same tape... Otherwise, we wouldn't even bother testing hinges.
But it is your choice on what you want to include in your research. And I'm certainly interested in your results.
I can save you some trouble. Dennison hinges are the most peelable. It's no contest. You are simply repeating what has been tested many times over the years. Well-established. There's a reason why the remaining stockpiles are sold at a premium.
The only question is, which brand hinge is the 2nd most peelable.
Best wishes on the results...
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01 Sep 2014
05:42:54pm
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on a scientic matter..irrespective of all things discussed, if you have a bias prior to your test, then scientifically it is worthless. Double blind testing please!
rrr...
Also, I don't know a single dealer who does not have an argument for why she should not pay less for what you are selling.
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"The only question is, which brand hinge is the 2nd most peelable."
I would put Prinz and Supersafe (from Vidiforms)as about the same as being #2 on the list.
Back in the day when Dennison hinges became extinct, I switched over to Harco hinges. Those were a third cousin to Dennison, but they were better than most of the other hinges available then. Now my primary collection is 100% in mounts (Showgard - from Vidiforms, Prinz - aka ScottMounts). My side-collections are in stock books, so no need for hinges or mounts. I use hinges to mount lower-valued used stamps, or previously hinged lower-valued unused stamps, in APS sales books. I do have a pack or two (don't remember) of Dennisons sitting around here too.
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Hi everyone:
@ khj; I read a thread you replied to on a different forum. The subject was identifying whether a stamp was a France #86 or 87 (the one with Prussian blue tinted paper)? When I get a chance I'll scan one I have that is rather dark blue and post it. I doubt it is the $4,350 one. But the color is quite different from the rest so I'll mount it next to the space for the #86. I won't need that space, because I doubt I'll ever get the good one. I have the Scott Green Specialty for France.
@ everyone:
I now have 1,000 Stanley Gibbons hinges. I've been told by many people they are the best around, not just on here either.
I have in front of me the prices plus shipping ($40.67) of 8 different brands 1,000 each. That price is too high because they can't be had from just one supplier, but three different. So the shipping will be higher than if all were from one supplier. If just half of them are acceptable, I would end up paying 40 bucks for 4,000. Not a good deal. I would probably only get 2,000 good hinges.
I will evaluate the ones I have and report my findings. If I have a chance to order supplies from someone who sells different hinges I'll try a single packet and report those findings. I have a source of Stanley Gibbons hinges of 12,000 for $35 including shipping. That's a lot better than 40 bucks for maybe 2,000!!
With 165,000 stamps to sort I'll need a lot of hinges. I just finished sorting 4,500 French, and will be starting a couple thousand French colonies next. They should make a nice fat approval book. One without tape or hinges. I soak hinges off when I can, or when they appear to be non-Dennison hinges.
@ Bobby:
I'll keep an eye for Supersafe & Prinz, and get some for a comparison when I can.
@ rrraphy: You need to re-read my original posted question, and second post. If you want to be scientific first learn to read. I'm evaluating hinges. Not adhesives, mounts, nor tapes, just hinges DAA! That is NOT unscientific, so there! To evaluate hinges one against the other does not show bias at all!
Keep on stampin
Ken Tall Pines
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I have never used SG hinges. I'm interested in your coming report on those.
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01 Sep 2014
06:22:24pm
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@ken off hinges, but in response... Y&T list 4 color variations of their #83 but only one (black on Prussian blue) of their #84 (scott 87)
I face the same dilemma... do I have a scott 87, or just one of the other colors
Attached is a photo, overlaid on the Y & T page. (sorry, not the best photo..was rushing it)
Anyone wants to guess? I am very much in doubt, but then I do have several color variations
rrr...
Have a (open envelope) bunch of Supersafe Peelable Hinges...probably somewhere between 500-1000...free for the asking. anyone, message me.
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I've also never used nor encountered SG hinges. So I'd also be interested in how it goes.
I concur with Michael######'s statement regarding Prinz and Supersafe. Although I have noticed that the Prinz hinges seem to have varying results from different packets. Not sure if they changed some manufacturing specs/methods over the years. Either way, they are still a noticeable notch below the Dennisons. But then again, maybe we are using different criteria to decide what is more peelable.
Too bad they don't make the Harcos anymore. The hinges that would have beat out the Prinz/Supersafe are no longer made. Make a better product, stop making it -- go figure.
Don't even try the Dennis' hinges. They're a bust. I was able to get an early batch, and they were surprisingly good. Must have been a fluke because all the subsequent batches were a bust.
Regarding the France Prussian blue, when you post in another thread, please PM me in case I miss it. Also, it should be worth your while to PM Ralph as well -- he has far more extensive knowledge of classic France than I do.
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Well, Ralph posted while I was typing. He's one of the go to guys on France.
"Have a (open envelope) bunch of Supersafe Peelable Hinges...probably somewhere between 500-1000...free for the asking. anyone, message me."
Well if Ken doesn't want them...
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01 Sep 2014
06:37:59pm
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OFC it also matters the amount of saliva applied to the hinge.
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01 Sep 2014
06:43:22pm
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sorry all..my hinges have been spoken for.
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"OFC it also matters the amount of saliva applied to the hinge."
I like to say, there's a little bit of me (DNA) on the back of my stamps...
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Can one of you tell me where you found this tape? Was it in a store or online? I went to Walmart, Target, and Staples, but no luck yet. I'll hit Office Depot and Office Max (although they're merging) sometime over the next few days on my regular "rounds", unless you think it is only available for purchase online.
Thanks in advance!
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03 Sep 2014
07:53:01pm
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The best (and by far most convenient) source for 3M 811 tape is Amazon. It comes in the dispenser style rolls, so if you do not have one, get an inexpensive dispenser also.
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Well in my grandfather's collection, I found the following hinges that are free to a good home. I don't think that I'm coordinated enough to use them. But I would be curious how old they are. Message me.
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So are the Dennison hinges that are pictured the "real deal" that everyone talks about? I have never seen an actual package. Don't those sell for a pretty penny or two?
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04 Sep 2014
11:28:03am
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The only difference between the one pictured and the ones on ebay selling for $20/pkg is that the red and white pkg is pre-folded and these aren't. The adhesive (the important part) is the same. (OMG! I'm old enough to remember non-folded hinges! )
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Me too. I think H E Harris sold unfolded hinges too under the "Honor Built" line. They didn't come off the stamp from what I can remember.
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31 Dec 2015
09:49:55pm
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This thread has been split, moving 1 posts onto a new Thread titled:"Denison Hinges"
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